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    Re: John McCain CIA Torture Report Senate Speech

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Alan Dershowitz is a very left liberal and ACLU point man. He devised the problem in 2002. The fact that it makes you uncomfortable does not mean it is partisan.
    i'll take that as a no. your fallacy is assuming that torture could save NYC in the first place.

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    Re: John McCain CIA Torture Report Senate Speech

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    i'll take that as a no. your fallacy is assuming that torture could save NYC in the first place.
    The problem does not guarantee that torture succeeds but it guarantees that every other course of action will fail.
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    Re: John McCain CIA Torture Report Senate Speech

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    In this case it is the only way, and although success is not guaranteed, all other approaches guarantee failure. You are not allowed to introduce unicorns and rainbows into the problem.
    Facts aren't unicorns and rainbows and if facts cannot be introduced then what is the point of the problem?

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    Re: John McCain CIA Torture Report Senate Speech

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    Facts aren't unicorns and rainbows and if facts cannot be introduced then what is the point of the problem?
    The point is to compel confrontation with the possibility of torturing one life to save a million.
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    Re: John McCain CIA Torture Report Senate Speech

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    The problem is designed to remove all attempts to dodge the moral issue, like yours, from the discussion.
    Except there is no moral issue. It is an imaginary scenario with no basis in the real world, making it irrelevant to real world morality.
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    Re: John McCain CIA Torture Report Senate Speech

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    The problem does not guarantee that torture succeeds but it guarantees that every other course of action will fail.
    no it doesn't.

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    Re: John McCain CIA Torture Report Senate Speech

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    You are wishing the problem away, not addressing it.
    There is no problem, except in your imaginary, nonreal world scenario. In the real world, that set of situation cannot exist, so trying to use it to discuss morality in the real world is stupid.
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    Re: John McCain CIA Torture Report Senate Speech

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    The point is to compel confrontation with the possibility of torturing one life to save a million.
    I don't think it compels confrontation. If the U.S. wanted to engage in moral relativism then it should have thought of that before crowning itself king of the "free world" and declaring itself as the example to which all other nations should aspire.

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    Re: John McCain CIA Torture Report Senate Speech

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    no it doesn't.
    Sorry, but that's how Dershowitz wrote it. Any attempt to avoid the dilemma is a declaration of failure.
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