Page 22 of 46 FirstFirst ... 12202122232432 ... LastLast
Results 211 to 220 of 451

Thread: John McCain CIA Torture Report Senate Speech

  1. #211
    Traveler

    Jack Hays's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2013
    Location
    Williamsburg, Virginia
    Last Seen
    Yesterday @ 04:55 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    54,867
    Blog Entries
    2

    Re: John McCain CIA Torture Report Senate Speech

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    there's a super big nuclear bomb in New York City. the only way to keep it from going off is to raise taxes and enroll everyone in Medicare. do you support doing that?

    please. spare me the bull**** partisan hypotheticals.

    Alan Dershowitz is a very left liberal and ACLU point man. He devised the problem in 2002. The fact that it makes you uncomfortable does not mean it is partisan.
    "It's always reassuring to find you've made the right enemies." -- William J. Donovan

  2. #212
    Guru

    Join Date
    Sep 2012
    Location
    Columbus, OH
    Last Seen
    Today @ 09:01 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Liberal
    Posts
    4,485

    Re: John McCain CIA Torture Report Senate Speech

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Perhaps, but the outcome is actually irrelevant. The point of the problem is whether you would torture if it were the only way to save the million lives. Any embroidery on the problem (such as yours) is mere avoidance.
    Hardly. The problem itself is a logical fallacy; a false dilemma. Torturing people is never a guarantee that you'll get any information at all let alone accurate intelligence and it is never the only way to acquire either of those things.

  3. #213
    Traveler

    Jack Hays's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2013
    Location
    Williamsburg, Virginia
    Last Seen
    Yesterday @ 04:55 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    54,867
    Blog Entries
    2

    Re: John McCain CIA Torture Report Senate Speech

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    My solution is to put all torturers on trial. If they can convince a jury that the torture was necessary to save lives they will be acquitted.

    That is very close to Dershowitz's own answer.
    "It's always reassuring to find you've made the right enemies." -- William J. Donovan

  4. #214
    Sewer Rat
    Risky Thicket's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2011
    Last Seen
    Today @ 04:31 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    23,803

    Re: John McCain CIA Torture Report Senate Speech

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    It is a problem created by law professor Alan Dershowitz. A nuclear weapon has been placed in New York City. It has been found, but it is set to detonate in one hour. It will detonate instantly if moved. The detonation can be prevented only with a code known only to the bomb maker, who is in custody. If it detonates the bomb will kill at least one million people. Do you torture the bomb maker to learn the code?
    I'd call Batman. How does that work for you and your man, Dershowitz?










    "When Faith preaches Hate, Blessed are the Doubters." - Amin Maalouf

    When trouble arises and things look bad, there is always one individual who perceives a solution and is willing to take command. Very often, that person is crazy. ~Dave Barry



  5. #215
    Traveler

    Jack Hays's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2013
    Location
    Williamsburg, Virginia
    Last Seen
    Yesterday @ 04:55 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    54,867
    Blog Entries
    2

    Re: John McCain CIA Torture Report Senate Speech

    Quote Originally Posted by Napoleon View Post
    Hardly. The problem itself is a logical fallacy; a false dilemma. Torturing people is never a guarantee that you'll get any information at all let alone accurate intelligence and it is never the only way to acquire either of those things.
    In this case it is the only way, and although success is not guaranteed, all other approaches guarantee failure. You are not allowed to introduce unicorns and rainbows into the problem.
    "It's always reassuring to find you've made the right enemies." -- William J. Donovan

  6. #216
    Liberal Fascist For Life!


    Redress's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2008
    Location
    Georgia
    Last Seen
    Today @ 05:53 AM
    Lean
    Very Liberal
    Posts
    93,328
    Blog Entries
    2

    Re: John McCain CIA Torture Report Senate Speech

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    It is a problem created by law professor Alan Dershowitz. A nuclear weapon has been placed in New York City. It has been found, but it is set to detonate in one hour. It will detonate instantly if moved. The detonation can be prevented only with a code known only to the bomb maker, who is in custody. If it detonates the bomb will kill at least one million people. Do you torture the bomb maker to learn the code?
    The problem with that is it is not real world. When the best argument for torture is an imaginative scenario that would not happen in the real world, that should tell you something.
    We became a great nation not because we are a nation of cynics. We became a great nation because we are a nation of believers - Lindsey Graham

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Uh oh Megyn...your vagina witchcraft is about ready to be exposed.

  7. #217
    Liberal Fascist For Life!


    Redress's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2008
    Location
    Georgia
    Last Seen
    Today @ 05:53 AM
    Lean
    Very Liberal
    Posts
    93,328
    Blog Entries
    2

    Re: John McCain CIA Torture Report Senate Speech

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Perhaps, but the outcome is actually irrelevant. The point of the problem is whether you would torture if it were the only way to save the million lives. Any embroidery on the problem (such as yours) is mere avoidance.
    Torture is not, has not been, and will not be the only way to save a million lives. Kinda ruins that scenario doesn't it...
    We became a great nation not because we are a nation of cynics. We became a great nation because we are a nation of believers - Lindsey Graham

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Uh oh Megyn...your vagina witchcraft is about ready to be exposed.

  8. #218
    Traveler

    Jack Hays's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2013
    Location
    Williamsburg, Virginia
    Last Seen
    Yesterday @ 04:55 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    54,867
    Blog Entries
    2

    Re: John McCain CIA Torture Report Senate Speech

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    The problem with that is it is not real world. When the best argument for torture is an imaginative scenario that would not happen in the real world, that should tell you something.
    The problem is designed to remove all attempts to dodge the moral issue, like yours, from the discussion.
    "It's always reassuring to find you've made the right enemies." -- William J. Donovan

  9. #219
    Traveler

    Jack Hays's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2013
    Location
    Williamsburg, Virginia
    Last Seen
    Yesterday @ 04:55 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    54,867
    Blog Entries
    2

    Re: John McCain CIA Torture Report Senate Speech

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    I'd call Batman. How does that work for you and your man, Dershowitz?
    You are evading.
    "It's always reassuring to find you've made the right enemies." -- William J. Donovan

  10. #220
    Traveler

    Jack Hays's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2013
    Location
    Williamsburg, Virginia
    Last Seen
    Yesterday @ 04:55 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    54,867
    Blog Entries
    2

    Re: John McCain CIA Torture Report Senate Speech

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Torture is not, has not been, and will not be the only way to save a million lives. Kinda ruins that scenario doesn't it...
    You are wishing the problem away, not addressing it.
    "It's always reassuring to find you've made the right enemies." -- William J. Donovan

Page 22 of 46 FirstFirst ... 12202122232432 ... LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •