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    Re: John McCain CIA Torture Report Senate Speech

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    So for you... Obama damages the nation by admitting that we're torturing people... but not by torturing those people in secret?
    Obama damages the nation by his unconstitutional and unlawful conduct.
    Obama stooge, Feinstein specifically, damaged the nation by releasing this Democrat written report. She is a traitor and she has damaged the CIA, probably for the next 50 years.

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    Re: John McCain CIA Torture Report Senate Speech

    Quote Originally Posted by ObamacareFail View Post
    Obama is not as much against torture as many think he is. The only difference is that he farms it out.
    he's been disappointing where ending interventionism is concerned. better than McCain, but still disappointing. however, i'm not in this thread to rip McCain, just to agree with him on this one point.

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    Re: John McCain CIA Torture Report Senate Speech

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    I believe that our treatment of POW's gives the enemy the excuse to treat our troops the same way. They can also use it as propaganda.
    The US has not faced an adversary since WW2 who treated captive Americans decently. There's nothing to be gained there.
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    Re: John McCain CIA Torture Report Senate Speech

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    You do know what enemy we're talking about here, don't you? I'm pretty sure every American prisoner of war captured by the Taliban, Al Qeada, and their associates has been treated wonderfully, usually by having their heads handed to them.
    I know of one who had his penis and testicles hacked off, shoved in his mouth and then bound and bleeding died on the floor.

    But the bed wetters don't want high value detainees to be made uncomfortable.

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    Re: John McCain CIA Torture Report Senate Speech

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    Greetings, Pero.

    The noticeable growing change in sentiment about torture among Americans polled probably directly correlates with the savagery displayed by the terrorists themselves. I would guess that if a poll were taken today, after watching them behead people who just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time, it would be a large majority of Americans who would agree that torture is not always wrong. Just my opinion...
    very possible. Violence begets violence begets violence. I sure have no sympathy for any terrorists. How can one have sympathy for someone who is willing to blow themselves up just to kill some innocents street bystanders or behead someone just because they took a wrong turn or something.

    This is an entirely different kind of war than what we have seen in the past, at least for Americans.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: John McCain CIA Torture Report Senate Speech

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Why would you be repulsed by Americans doing it in a "conventional war"? Wait... what is a conventional war? Because for the most part, we haven't waged "conventional war" since the invention of the gatling gun. There was nothing "conventional" about creating a bomb that could kill 200K people in minutes. There was nothing conventional about Agent Orange. So what defines conventional? Two armies, meeting in a battlefield and duking it out? The world hasn't had that since... what? The 19th century?
    By conventional war, I mean two or more nations going to war with each other. Not dirt bag terrorists who would chop off the head of an innocent man, woman, or child just for the sake of an extreme interpretation of Islam.

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    Re: John McCain CIA Torture Report Senate Speech

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    he's been disappointing where ending interventionism is concerned. better than McCain, but still disappointing. however, i'm not in this thread to rip McCain, just to agree with him on this one point.
    I respect McCain's aversion to torture as he was a real victim of torture....however compared to what he faced in Vietnam....most of what the terrorists faced in those enhanced interrogations was little more then the annoyance offingernails on a chalkboard.

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    Re: John McCain CIA Torture Report Senate Speech

    Quote Originally Posted by ObamacareFail View Post
    I respect McCain's aversion to torture as he was a real victim of torture....however compared to what he faced in Vietnam....most of what the terrorists faced in those enhanced interrogations was little more then the annoyance offingernails on a chalkboard.
    i don't agree.

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    Re: John McCain CIA Torture Report Senate Speech

    Quote Originally Posted by ObamacareFail View Post
    Obama is not as much against torture as many think he is. The only difference is that he farms it out.
    I agree with you on this one.

    Bush started the torture program.
    Bush spied on Americans on American soil.
    Bush had Americans executed by decree, without due process.
    Bush snooped in our email.
    Bush said that we had better shut up.

    And what did Obama do? Did he end this? Of course not. He became Bush on steroids. If some of the Republicans would stop doing the silly crap against Obama, and condemn him for this, I would gladly join them in supporting impeaching Obama.
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    Re: John McCain CIA Torture Report Senate Speech

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    You do know what enemy we're talking about here, don't you? I'm pretty sure every American prisoner of war captured by the Taliban, Al Qeada, and their associates has been treated wonderfully, usually by having their heads handed to them.
    Usually, but not always. I'm not sure about the reasoning behind it, but we recently traded five terrorists from Gitmo for one American Private named Bergdahl. I'm sure he is happy to be home, and the terrorists are happy to be back in the ME, so everything worked out just fine.

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