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    Re: John McCain CIA Torture Report Senate Speech

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Yeah, ol' Georgie wasn't down for torture either.
    Fine words - almost as disingenuous as most everything in an Obama speech.
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    Re: John McCain CIA Torture Report Senate Speech

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    The British lost the war and America because the colonials conducted war in a manner unheard of by traditional armies and soldiers. Are you going to hold all to the historical conduct of war?
    I believe his stance on torture was exemplary, at the end of WWII the Germans surrendered rather easily because they knew the Americans wouldn't hurt them. That alone saved American lives.


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    Re: John McCain CIA Torture Report Senate Speech

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    Do you believe this was about intelligence gathering? Did Washington tell his soldiers "Don't make your prisoners uncomfortable"?
    Do you realize that the allegations in this report go far beyond making someone feel uncomfortable? Is your normal MO to downplay the severity of things if they don't fit your narrative? It's getting getting laughably predictable.
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    Re: John McCain CIA Torture Report Senate Speech

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Fine words - almost as disingenuous as most everything in an Obama speech.
    So George Washington was in favor of mistreating/harming/injuring prisoners if it served a purpose? You'd have an easier time arguing that the Leafs are going to win the next Stanley Cup.
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    Re: John McCain CIA Torture Report Senate Speech

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    McCain was a prisoner of war, so he is probably a bit more open to the idea torture is unacceptable than his peers in the party that came from some rich family somewhere and failed history class.
    With all due respect to McCain, the enhanced interrogations of terrorists by the CIA was nothing compared to the torture McCain faced in Vietnam.

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    Re: John McCain CIA Torture Report Senate Speech

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    Re: John McCain CIA Torture Report Senate Speech

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    I agree with President GW Bush.

    I agree with Vice-President Dick Cheney.

    I agree with the leadership of the CIA.

    These are all honorable men, doing honorable things at a time when America needed such leadership.

    As Vice-President Cheney said recently, "these agents deserve commendation, not criticism".

    All that said, I'm glad the report was released.
    As an American, I would prefer that my country not define honor in terms of hurting other people. Perhaps you could argue that torture is necessary or even morally permissible, but to call the decision to order and allow torture honorable shows a reverence for sadism that should not be present in any society that values human life.

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    Re: John McCain CIA Torture Report Senate Speech

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    I have faith in none of them.
    Considering how much faith you are putting in the report, you certainly do have faith in some of them.

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    Re: John McCain CIA Torture Report Senate Speech

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    So George Washington was in favor of mistreating/harming/injuring prisoners if it served a purpose? You'd have an easier time arguing that the Leafs are going to win the next Stanley Cup.
    No, George Washington wasn't "in favor" - but I'll bet his fine words were simply for public consumption and not for tactical, in the moment use. America has a fine history of espousing virtue and when necessary acting otherwise. This report is a political document issued by a Democrat party that has now lost control of both Houses of Congress and wants to take their last shot at the evil GW Bush. It's pathetic what depths Democrats will sink for perceived political gain.
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    Re: John McCain CIA Torture Report Senate Speech

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    As an American, I would prefer that my country not define honor in terms of hurting other people. Perhaps you could argue that torture is necessary or even morally permissible, but to call the decision to order and allow torture honorable shows a reverence for sadism that should not be present in any society that values human life.
    In war a government's solemn duty is to victory, by any means necessary, and to nothing else. It is impossible to imagine any government anywhere conceding defeat and then announcing to its people that although victory had been possible it was eschewed because questionable means would have been required to achieve it.
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