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    Re: John McCain CIA Torture Report Senate Speech

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    I would say this was clearly giving aid and comfort to our enemies. She has confessed in open, before the microphones.
    Do you believe George Washington was treasonous when he said:

    "Should any American soldier be so base and infamous as to injure any [prisoner]. . . I do most earnestly enjoin you to bring him to such severe and exemplary punishment as the enormity of the crime may require. Should it extend to death itself, it will not be disproportional to its guilt at such a time and in such a cause... for by such conduct they bring shame, disgrace and ruin to themselves and their country."
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    Re: John McCain CIA Torture Report Senate Speech

    "Not everyone was a bed wetter then. I am pretty sure we have really tortured people in past wars. These days we just disorient them, make them uncomfortable, and ask them politely to cooperate."
    Quote Originally Posted by Mithros View Post
    John McCain is a bed wetter??? I bet he has no idea what torture is either.
    What?

    McCain had no choice in the matter. All of you who whine about making our enemies uncomfortable are the bedwetters. McCain is just a cranky old man standing with the treasonous democrats.

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    Re: John McCain CIA Torture Report Senate Speech

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Do you believe George Washington was treasonous when he said:
    No. I think it is wonderful policy. What the Old Man doesn't know won't hurt him.

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    Re: John McCain CIA Torture Report Senate Speech

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Good evening Pero - thanks for sharing that. I'm not surprised because I believe people's views of what is happening in the world today and what needs to be done to counter it are ever changing. It also doesn't surprise me because of the support Americans have had for the use of drones and the seemingly unaffected view many have of the innocents who die as "collateral damage" by such attacks. These days, the bottom line outcome is more important because failure can lead to unthinkable consequences.
    Failure could always lead to unthinkable consequences. Back WWII we never gave collateral damage a thought when we fire bombed Dresden and Tokyo. We were at war and we will fighting to win that war. I think if one enters or goes to war, then one needs to use whatever means are available to win it. If you are unwilling to do that, stay home and do not go to war.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: John McCain CIA Torture Report Senate Speech

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    I do not find it surprising that you are unable to distinguish between enemy terrorists and US citizen gun owners. No doubt both are the same in your mind.
    No, no, that you're able to determine which rights a person has by whether they're a citizen or not is what is in question here. It's obvious you don't believe in that inalienable rights shtick, so there goes the second amendment. If we're to go by your cavalier attitude on this issue. Nice though, I almost fell for it.
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    Re: John McCain CIA Torture Report Senate Speech

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    ..and the USA managed to survive many wars and conflicts for over 200 years without needing legalized torture.
    But then in those many wars, we never had to deal with fanatical terrorists who crash commercial airlines into skyscrapers and the Pentagon. These bastards do not represent any sovereign nation or fly any nation's flag. They are not covered by the Geneva Conventions. I would be repulsed by any American use of torture in a conventional war between nations. I don't give a @#$% about terrorists. If it will save a few thousand American lives...perhaps prevent another 9/11/01 type terrorist attack, then have at it....whatever it takes to get the info.

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    Re: John McCain CIA Torture Report Senate Speech

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    Failure could always lead to unthinkable consequences. Back WWII we never gave collateral damage a thought when we fire bombed Dresden and Tokyo. We were at war and we will fighting to win that war. I think if one enters or goes to war, then one needs to use whatever means are available to win it. If you are unwilling to do that, stay home and do not go to war.
    My point about collateral damage and drones is related specifically to the use of drones outside of the battlefield. America is not at war in Yemen, in Pakistan, in Somalia, in Iraq, etc. and yet drones are used in those theaters frequently, often with disastrous results for people who are totally innocent and not enemies of America. I fully support the use of drones in war zones.
    "Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other views." William F. Buckley Jr.

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    Re: John McCain CIA Torture Report Senate Speech

    Quote Originally Posted by ObamacareFail View Post
    But then in those many wars, we never had to deal with fanatical terrorists who crash commercial airlines into skyscrapers and the Pentagon. These bastards do not represent any sovereign nation or fly any nation's flag. They are not covered by the Geneva Conventions. I would be repulsed by any American use of torture in a conventional war between nations. I don't give a @#$% about terrorists. If it will save a few thousand American lives...perhaps prevent another 9/11/01 type terrorist attack, then have at it....whatever it takes to get the info.
    Why would you be repulsed by Americans doing it in a "conventional war"? Wait... what is a conventional war? Because for the most part, we haven't waged "conventional war" since the invention of the gatling gun. There was nothing "conventional" about creating a bomb that could kill 200K people in minutes. There was nothing conventional about Agent Orange. So what defines conventional? Two armies, meeting in a battlefield and duking it out? The world hasn't had that since... what? The 19th century?
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    Re: John McCain CIA Torture Report Senate Speech

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Do you believe George Washington was treasonous when he said:
    The British lost the war and America because the colonials conducted war in a manner unheard of by traditional armies and soldiers. Are you going to hold all to the historical conduct of war?
    "Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other views." William F. Buckley Jr.

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    Re: John McCain CIA Torture Report Senate Speech

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    My point about collateral damage and drones is related specifically to the use of drones outside of the battlefield. America is not at war in Yemen, in Pakistan, in Somalia, in Iraq, etc. and yet drones are used in those theaters frequently, often with disastrous results for people who are totally innocent and not enemies of America. I fully support the use of drones in war zones.
    Terrorists who hide among civilians bring the war with them. The US is at war wherever terrorists hide, and we do not grant them sanctuary anywhere.
    "It's always reassuring to find you've made the right enemies." -- William J. Donovan

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