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    Anti-gay activist Scott Lively's crimes-against-humanity case to proceed after federa

    Anti-gay activist Scott Lively's crimes-against-humanity case to proceed after federal court denies his petition to dismiss lawsuit | masslive.com

    *The crimes-against-humanity lawsuit filed against anti-LGBTQ activist*Scott Lively*will proceed after a federal appeals court denied his petition to dismiss the complaint, which alleges the Springfield resident violated U.S. law by trying to influence the laws of a foreign country.

    On Thursday, a three-judge panel of the 1st U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in Boston ruled against Lively, president and pastor of Abiding Truth Ministries, a vehemently anti-gay ministry known for its opposition to LGBTQ rights. The denial means the lawsuit accusing Lively of fanning anti-gay flames in the East African nation of Uganda, among other things, will proceed in federal court.

    The suit was filed by lawyers for the human rights groups Sexual Minorities Uganda and the Center for Constitutional Rights.

    Lively had asked the 1st Circuit panel to dismiss the suit via a writ of mandamus – a writ issued by a superior court commanding the performance of a specified official act or duty – but the judges denied the petition.

    The suit alleges Lively encouraged government-backed acts of violence against gays in Uganda as a result of his anti-gay rhetoric, specifically remarks he made when addressing members of the nation's parliament in 2009.
    Not sure how I feel about this one, as far as I can tell he had no direct involvement. Also what about Ugandan officials?

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    Re: Anti-gay activist Scott Lively's crimes-against-humanity case to proceed after fe

    Well the situation in Uganda before Lively showed up was relatively small, like a small campfire. Lively comes along and pours massive amounts of fuel around it by giving speeches to Ugandan parliament for hours on end and supporting anti-gay pastors and now the entire country is on fire. He turned a relatively small issue that could have been solved into a full blown human rights issue.

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    Re: Anti-gay activist Scott Lively's crimes-against-humanity case to proceed after fe

    From the OP's link "Springfield resident violated U.S. law by trying to influence the laws of a foreign country."

    I assume, and hope, that all attempts to influence the laws of a foreign country are not illegal. Otherwise pro-gay rights and other international human rights movements based in the USA would be illegal. Lively is despicable, but unless he explicitly and strongly urged the use of violence or other serious human rights violations by citizens and/or the government I don't think he should be convicted. He claims that he advocated imposing mandatory therapy on gays, not the death penalty, and that he would not support the law if it includes a death penalty (isn't he nice?) If Lively is telling the truth I don't think he deserves conviction.

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    Re: Anti-gay activist Scott Lively's crimes-against-humanity case to proceed after fe

    I dont have enough knowledge of the applicable laws but it seems like the Federal appeals court said that the district court has the authority to hear the case. I wonder if his lawyers would have chosen a different reason to appeal the case they would have had better luck.

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    Re: Anti-gay activist Scott Lively's crimes-against-humanity case to proceed after fe

    Quote Originally Posted by tacomancer View Post
    Not sure how I feel about this one, as far as I can tell he had no direct involvement. Also what about Ugandan officials?
    Good points. This whole proceeding is a farce that cheapens the definition of "Crimes against humanity". There is no evidence what so ever that the accused either directly, or indirectly called for violence. In addition, there is no evidence that those who actually harmed gays were motivated by the accused to harm them.

    In short, what this man is "guilty" of is being stridently against gay marriage- a PC thought crime against humanity.

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    Re: Anti-gay activist Scott Lively's crimes-against-humanity case to proceed after fe

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    From the OP's link "Springfield resident violated U.S. law by trying to influence the laws of a foreign country."

    I assume, and hope, that all attempts to influence the laws of a foreign country are not illegal. Otherwise pro-gay rights and other international human rights movements based in the USA would be illegal.
    I wonder if any Planned Parenthood activists have ever directly tried to influence legislation in other nations?

    Wait a minute, Hillary Clinton was closely affiliated with Planned Death when she was a private citizen. During that time (Cairo Conference on Population) Planned Death may have been keenly interested in changing laws in developing nations in the areas of abortion, contraception and sex education. I am not saying that Hillary is guilty of anything, but what is "good for the goose, is good for the gander".

    As you stated, there is no evidence that the accused directly promoted violence. That alone should lead to a dismissal. Then, there is the possibility of a culture war fueled "tit for tat" and cheapening the term "crimes against humanity".

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    Re: Anti-gay activist Scott Lively's crimes-against-humanity case to proceed after fe

    Quote Originally Posted by Cryptic View Post
    Good points. This whole proceeding is a farce that cheapens the definition of "Crimes against humanity". There is no evidence what so ever that the accused either directly, or indirectly called for violence. In addition, there is no evidence that those who actually harmed gays were motivated by the accused to harm them.

    In short, what this man is "guilty" of is being stridently against gay marriage- a PC thought crime against humanity.
    Actually he preached against more than just gay marriage:

    For three days, according to participants and audio recordings, thousands of Ugandans, including police officers, teachers and national politicians, listened raptly to the Americans, who were presented as experts on homosexuality. The visitors discussed how to make gay people straight, how gay men often sodomized teenage boys and how “the gay movement is an evil institution” whose goal is “to defeat the marriage-based society and replace it with a culture of sexual promiscuity.”

    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/04/wo...anda.html?_r=0

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    Re: Anti-gay activist Scott Lively's crimes-against-humanity case to proceed after fe

    Does anyone have a link to the wording of the American law against Americans influencing the laws of foreigh countries?

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    Re: Anti-gay activist Scott Lively's crimes-against-humanity case to proceed after fe

    Quote Originally Posted by Cryptic View Post
    Good points. This whole proceeding is a farce that cheapens the definition of "Crimes against humanity". There is no evidence what so ever that the accused either directly, or indirectly called for violence. In addition, there is no evidence that those who actually harmed gays were motivated by the accused to harm them.

    In short, what this man is "guilty" of is being stridently against gay marriage- a PC thought crime against humanity.
    Yeah, there ****ing is that evidence.

    There's a documentary on it, you should watch it. I'll see if I can find it.

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    God Loves Uganda | God Loves Uganda - DVD release: out on May 19th, 2014

    You should watch this.
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    Re: Anti-gay activist Scott Lively's crimes-against-humanity case to proceed after fe

    Quote Originally Posted by Amandi View Post
    Does anyone have a link to the wording of the American law against Americans influencing the laws of foreigh countries?
    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    From the OP's link "Springfield resident violated U.S. law by trying to influence the laws of a foreign country."
    He's not being prosecuted by anyone in the US. He's being sued by a Ugandan LGBT group for damages on the basis of the Alien Tort Statute, which allows non-citizens to seek in US courts reparations for human-rights violations committed against them. The text:

    28 U.S. Code § 1350 - Alien’s action for tort
    The district courts shall have original jurisdiction of any civil action by an alien for a tort only, committed in violation of the law of nations or a treaty of the United States.
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