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    Re: Anti-gay activist Scott Lively's crimes-against-humanity case to proceed after fe

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    The lack of a clear line is why we have a court system to deal with it. It's not perfect, but it's the best we got. What's the alternative? Make it legal to call for someone's death?

    The message has been "these people will kidnap and sodomize your children to recruit them, and destroy your marriage, and your society, you have to fight back." He said that homosexuals will try to blend in to get at your child to prey on them. Thats right. Gays are genocidal. They are insatiable sexual predators and they are coming for your children.
    Historical US judicial practice is that in almost all cases (except say, direct incitiement to riot), inflammatory speech is still protected. For example:

    - gangsta rappers can rap about killing police officers. A Country Western singer can call for vigilante violence.
    - Far right radio radio talk show personalities can talk about threats posed by federal agents and how peole may need to "defend themselves".
    - Louis Farakhan can say that jews, whites, asians and probably- gays etc. are uhmmm.... "possibly in" or even actually in a dazzling variety of deadly conspiracies against blacks.

    In all of these cases, the claim could be made speech by these people might have partially inspired people to commit acts of violence against group "X".

    You mentioned the "reasonable person standard". Courts also apply the concept of "slippery slopes". That is why under US judicial practice, inflammatory speech is covered by freedom of speech.

    If the people above cannot be criminally charged nor civilly sued under our system, why would we allow a US citizens whose inflammaory speeech migh have partially inspired indirect listeners to har people "P" to be civilly sued. It is clear that he has notbroken any US law.
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    Re: Anti-gay activist Scott Lively's crimes-against-humanity case to proceed after fe

    Quote Originally Posted by Uncensored2008 View Post
    Remember the old days, when Americans were free to think and speak any idea they wished?

    Well, we're Obamunists now, that nasty 1st amendment is a thing of the past. Views contrary to party canon will be severely punished.
    Nothing has been decided so you are overreacting a smidge (OK, maybe your whole post is unfounded.)

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    Re: Anti-gay activist Scott Lively's crimes-against-humanity case to proceed after fe

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    The appeals court rejected their request for a 'writ of mandamus' which is an order from a higher court to a lower court commanding it to act in a certain way, in this case to dismiss the claim. These are exceedingly rare orders meant to control abuses in lower courts, but they are almost never granted so it isn't surprising this was denied. However I'd be very surprised if one way or another this claim isn't defeated.
    Yeah, what I was trying to say ^^^

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    Re: Anti-gay activist Scott Lively's crimes-against-humanity case to proceed after fe

    Say hello to what evangelicals have been doing in African countries for years now, under the guise of "missionary work". Livelys is just the most prominent, but he isn't the only one.

    Evangelicals are a blight on the human race. They spread their hatred anywhere they go. They can't gain ground in the U.S. so they go to places where governments are less influential and the poorer populations are still ignorant / uneducated about the true evils of the world.

    Makes me sick.

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    Re: Anti-gay activist Scott Lively's crimes-against-humanity case to proceed after fe

    Quote Originally Posted by Amandi View Post
    Nothing has been decided so you are overreacting a smidge (OK, maybe your whole post is unfounded.)
    That an American can be held in American courts for "crimes against humanity" (Stalinist much?) for words spoken in a foreign land is the type of crap I used to call paranoid when people would warn that this was the goal of the left.

    There is no reaction too strong to something like this. The left is at war to end civil liberties. When an open and direct attack on basic liberty is encountered, the response of all freedom loving people should be strong and unmistakably loud.

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    Re: Anti-gay activist Scott Lively's crimes-against-humanity case to proceed after fe

    Quote Originally Posted by Northern Light View Post
    Say hello to what evangelicals have been doing in African countries for years now, under the guise of "missionary work". Livelys is just the most prominent, but he isn't the only one.

    Evangelicals are a blight on the human race. They spread their hatred anywhere they go. They can't gain ground in the U.S. so they go to places where governments are less influential and the poorer populations are still ignorant / uneducated about the true evils of the world.

    Makes me sick.
    Maybe a group will arise who will kill them for you?

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    Re: Anti-gay activist Scott Lively's crimes-against-humanity case to proceed after fe

    Quote Originally Posted by Uncensored2008 View Post
    Obvious troll is obvious.

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    Re: Anti-gay activist Scott Lively's crimes-against-humanity case to proceed after fe

    Quote Originally Posted by Northern Light View Post
    Obvious troll is obvious.
    Yes, you certainly are.

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