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    Re: Emails Show “Pro-Family” Activists Feeding Contacts To Russian Nationalists

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    Hey "pro-family"(whatever that means) movement, at least you got far right wingers like Putinites on your side and extreme right wing nationalists... Wohoooo [/FONT]
    Why would anybody be surprised that the right wing in the US has close ties with Putinistas? Putin is just the kind of leader these right wing zealots admire. And they sure love his stand on homosexuals. A marriage made in heaven.
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    Re: Emails Show “Pro-Family” Activists Feeding Contacts To Russian Nationalists

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    Yep, we all love that Scott Desjarlais family value stuff: One man, one woman, one mistress, one ex-wife and couple of abortions... you know, the essentials for a happy, well adjusted family. Oh yes, I forgot the picket fence.


    I am all for family values: I actually practice them (married to one woman for 30 years, no affairs, two kids). But, aside from the statement, I don't otherwise go about bragging on it, nor run for office trying to sell myself as some type of holier than though purtain. I think "family values" are great, but there is far too much hypocrisy around this. Just ask:

    David Vetter
    Vance McAllister
    Mark Sanford
    Newt Gingrich
    Herman Cain
    Ted Haggerty

    .... off the top of my head

    https://www.tumblr.com/search/pro-family+republicans
    You can't define truth or family values based on the moral failings or mistakes of others. It's a logical fallacy to say someone else's view is invalid because they had a personal failing. It's not about being holier than though, it's about standing up for what's right and encouraging Godly family values when many oppose them. Some people run on rhetoric or to manipulate votes out of other's and aren't sincere in their message, just look at many health and wealth TV preachers. Others mean it but they fell into sin just like everyone else whereas others still live by those principals and didn't break them.
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    Re: Emails Show “Pro-Family” Activists Feeding Contacts To Russian Nationalists

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    Because buzzfeed is a reliable and unbiased source...

    What ultimately matters is the message, and the pro-family message of one man one woman raising children together in a loving home beats all others.
    Yeah, and that Putin really knows how to handle gays, doesn't he?
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    Re: Emails Show “Pro-Family” Activists Feeding Contacts To Russian Nationalists

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    APACHERAT, How's the ruble doing? How is Russia's economy doing lately?
    I'm more concerned why there hasn't been a full recovery of our economy after almost six years under the Obama administration and everyone forgets that the "Feds" have been propping up Obama's economy since day one ? Whats going to happen when the "Feds" stop propping up Wall Street ?

    I'm pretty sure that the "Feds" will stop propping up America's economy around early 2017.

    As for the Russian ruble. Not good for the civilized Western world when the Russian ruble is weak. The weapon of choice by the bad guys in the world are the Russian AK's and 7.62X39 mm ammunition. I weak Russian ruble means the bad guys can buy more AK's and ammunition for less money. It's how it works in the geopolitical game.

    Pay close attention to OPEC and especially Saudi Arbabia. They been playing both sides, always have going back to the 1970's.

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    Re: Emails Show “Pro-Family” Activists Feeding Contacts To Russian Nationalists

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    And let me guess who's playing checkers ... you've only used THAT line a hundred times.

    Not sure why you have such a boner for Putin. I guess far-right authoritarians are your cup of tea.
    the far right has had a boner for Putin for some time now. Maybe it's those manly pictures of him without his shirt on that sets their hearts all aflutter. They love them some Putin, and make no mistake about it.
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    Re: Emails Show “Pro-Family” Activists Feeding Contacts To Russian Nationalists

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    You've GOT to be joking. On this forum it is generally LIBERALS who have supported Putin's Nationalism and expansionism. Most conservatives have suggested instead kicking Putin's ass.
    No, they haven't. the Far Right has themselves a massive man-crush on Vlad.
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    Re: Emails Show “Pro-Family” Activists Feeding Contacts To Russian Nationalists

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    You can't define truth or family values based on the moral failings or mistakes of others. It's a logical fallacy to say someone else's view is invalid because they had a personal failing. It's not about being holier than though, it's about standing up for what's right and encouraging Godly family values when many oppose them. Some people run on rhetoric or to manipulate votes out of other's and aren't sincere in their message, just look at many health and wealth TV preachers. Others mean it but they fell into sin just like everyone else whereas others still live by those principals and didn't break them.
    I appreciate the fact that we all sin and fall short of the glory of God. But, politicians the run on righteousness need to be called out when they fall short of that righteousness. The Republicans are more than happy to sell family values, but less than happy to actually live them. The politicians that fall short rightfully deserve disgrace and ridicule.

    If you are going to sell family values, then you best live the family values or don't peddle them, in the first place. Live by the sword; die by the sword (unless, of course, you have a wide-stance).

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    Re: Emails Show “Pro-Family” Activists Feeding Contacts To Russian Nationalists

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    I'm more concerned why there hasn't been a full recovery of our economy after almost six years under the Obama administration and everyone forgets that the "Feds" have been propping up Obama's economy since day one ? Whats going to happen when the "Feds" stop propping up Wall Street ?
    321K jobs added ... Dow Jones almost at 18K...

    I'm pretty sure that the "Feds" will stop propping up America's economy around early 2017.

    As for the Russian ruble. Not good for the civilized Western world when the Russian ruble is weak. The weapon of choice by the bad guys in the world are the Russian AK's and 7.62X39 mm ammunition. I weak Russian ruble means the bad guys can buy more AK's and ammunition for less money. It's how it works in the geopolitical game.

    Pay close attention to OPEC and especially Saudi Arbabia. They been playing both sides, always have going back to the 1970's.
    It's almost like you make it up as you go. The Russian ruble going down would only make the AK47 a more attractive choice if it wasn't produced in about... oh I don't know.... the 20 other countries that have made its value drop for decades. Secondly, you shucked and jived so much I almost forgot you didn't answer my question. Putin is so good at his geopolitical game that he's managed to cripple the Russian economy, cut the rubles value by half, and made investors flee from the country. That's the geopolitics game Obama should be afraid of? Get serious.
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    Re: Emails Show “Pro-Family” Activists Feeding Contacts To Russian Nationalists

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    No. It doesn't. Religious upbringing has never been taken into consideration for whether children perform well or not. That you're still trying to claim it without a single study backing you up is downright silly.
    You're completely missing the point. My claim isn't based on studies (that no one has really conducted) looking at religious vs. non-religious families and upbringing. My claim is based on the Bible which is the word of God.
    Relying on fictional strawmen arguments nobody has made? Ballsy, but see through.
    Just stop, I'm not going to respond again to your ignorant claims that I somehow support or have said that homosexuals shouldn't be allowed to adopt or raise kids. For the 3rd or 4th time (I've lost count) I'll restate that with the above sentence, and that's the last time. If you want to continue pushing that I'm somehow advocating that gays, lesbians, secular or any other type of family unit shouldn't raise kids then you're just misrepresenting my view because it's convenient for you to do so with petty attacks.

    You can keep repeating this lie as much as you want. Your belief that children are raised better in a Christian heterosexual home is just that. Your belief. It's not an objective (that's the word you're looking for) observation that is up for scrutiny. It's your opinion and it is contrary to the facts demonstrating otherwise.
    Nah, it's not a lie and it's what the word of God says. It's based on the fact that God commands that parents raise their kids in accordance with his word and instruct them. You might not believe that, no one is forcing you to believe that, but just as people can not believe in gravity they're still wrong in that belief although entitled to it.

    Still trying to emotionally charge the issue? Pro-life doesn't exist. Your human rights don't get to infringe on mine, neither can they be determined to be more important than mine. Rights don't work that way and yet that's how fundies want to dishonestly present it. Did you forget that's the reason you disappear from threads when you engage in this silly practice of looking at the human rights you do and don't like? Remember reproductive rights are a human right and they precedence long before those of a cluster of cells.
    You're the one that made the initial claim that there is no "pro-life" position, I merely refuted your illogical way of misrepresenting an issue to fit your ideology. I disappear from threads usually because I get busy or because people that refuse to debate rationally and just continue on with their arrogant misrepresentations aren't worth dealing with anymore :shurg: But let's not make things personal.

    Right now abortion is a reproductive right, just like slave ownership was a right before the lives of slaves were recognized. The law doesn't dictate right and wrong and it doesn't make the pro-life argument illegitimate anymore than the anti-slavery argument was legitimate during times when slavery was legal. Heck, if law determines right and wrong then one can concede to the logical fallacy that up until court decision on gay marriage that gays simply didn't have the right to wed because the law didn't recognize it (and in some states still doesn't). Sometimes you have to push for what is right, challenge past laws and make changes. Humans make errors, rights can be given in error and in some cases throughout history humanity needed to correct itself just like with the reversal of slavery or the denial of gays to wed and in the case of wrongfully allowing people to kill the unborn for elective, non-medically necessary reasons because the law doesn't value that life. You can continue to make accusations of straw mans, bash faith, ignore the concept of spiritual truth or just discuss me as a person or poster but if that's where the debate is headed I'm just going to stop. I've said my peace already.
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    Re: Emails Show “Pro-Family” Activists Feeding Contacts To Russian Nationalists

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    And how do you know that? The Bible is the moral standard set forth by God. The Bible should guide all moral values as we live by the Holy Spirit.
    How do you know that?


    The Bible is a book written by bronze aged men, with immorality filling the pages. That book should in no way be a guide to any moral values. It is the antithesis of morality.
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