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    Re: Emails Show “Pro-Family” Activists Feeding Contacts To Russian Nationalists

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    Because buzzfeed is a reliable and unbiased source...

    What ultimately matters is the message, and the pro-family message of one man one woman raising children together in a loving home beats all others.
    That is not a pro-family position. The pro-family position is that all families are important and all families matter. That it does not matter if it is a man and a woman, a woman and a woman, a man and a man, raising their biological or adopted children. All families are important and they all matter. That is the pro-family message.

    This message that one man and one woman is the only acceptable family unit is nothing but pure anti-family garbage.
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    Re: Emails Show “Pro-Family” Activists Feeding Contacts To Russian Nationalists

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    That is not a pro-family position. The pro-family position is that all families are important and all families matter. That it does not matter if it is a man and a woman, a woman and a woman, a man and a man, raising their biological or adopted children. All families are important and they all matter. That is the pro-family message.

    This message that one man and one woman is the only acceptable family unit is nothing but pure anti-family garbage.
    It's double speak. The same kind that brings us "pro-life" and "pro-abortion". There is no such thing as "pro-life" or "pro-abortion". There are only "pro-choice" and "anti-choice". Either you're in favor of women having reproductive choice, or you're not. Nobody is favor of having abortions used in all pregnancies or 'pro-life' when keeping the baby results in the mother's death. However, there are a few people who insist that these labels are accurate for the positions they represent. That's nonsense. They're not. They're meant to emotionally charge the issue and digsbe has demonstrated that in spades. He has ignored every study which contradicts his statement about what is best in favor of his own subjective morality. If that doesn't tell you how flawed the positions of pro-family advocates are, I don't know what will.
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    Re: Emails Show “Pro-Family” Activists Feeding Contacts To Russian Nationalists

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post



    Depends on how you define "best." The best home is a loving mother and father who raise their kids according to God's principals, by definition a gay couple living together are going against God's principals. Just because homosexuals can raise kids and not have them be screwed up doesn't mean it's the best option. I'm not against homosexuals raising kids or adopting, but it's not the best option.
    The god you believe in isn't real, so who gives a **** what the Bible says? The Bible shouldn't have an impact on our morals or values.
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    Re: Emails Show “Pro-Family” Activists Feeding Contacts To Russian Nationalists

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    Re: Emails Show “Pro-Family” Activists Feeding Contacts To Russian Nationalists

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    The god you believe in isn't real, so who gives a **** what the Bible says? The Bible shouldn't have an impact on our morals or values.
    No one told you what to believe, so don't tell others what to believe.
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    Re: Emails Show “Pro-Family” Activists Feeding Contacts To Russian Nationalists

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    No one told you what to believe, so don't tell others what to believe.
    People have told me what to believe, and I rejected some ideas and accepted others. That's part of life, we tell our truth and that's okay. Digs belief in his God informs his views and that's okay that he says that. It's also okay for me to tell him that his faith is wrong and that his god doesn't exist. That is me sharing what I believe.
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    Re: Emails Show “Pro-Family” Activists Feeding Contacts To Russian Nationalists

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    People have told me what to believe, and I rejected some ideas and accepted others. That's part of life, we tell our truth and that's okay. Digs belief in his God informs his views and that's okay that he says that. It's also okay for me to tell him that his faith is wrong and that his god doesn't exist. That is me sharing what I believe.
    Did Digbse? Or did he tell you what he believes?
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    Re: Emails Show “Pro-Family” Activists Feeding Contacts To Russian Nationalists

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    Look at geopolitics as a chess game because that's how it's played.
    And let me guess who's playing checkers ... you've only used THAT line a hundred times.

    Not sure why you have such a boner for Putin. I guess far-right authoritarians are your cup of tea.
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    Re: Emails Show “Pro-Family” Activists Feeding Contacts To Russian Nationalists

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    And let me guess who's playing checkers ... you've only used THAT line a hundred times.

    Not sure why you have such a boner for Putin. I guess far-right authoritarians are your cup of tea.
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    Re: Emails Show “Pro-Family” Activists Feeding Contacts To Russian Nationalists

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    The god you believe in isn't real, so who gives a **** what the Bible says? The Bible shouldn't have an impact on our morals or values.
    And how do you know that? The Bible is the moral standard set forth by God. The Bible should guide all moral values as we live by the Holy Spirit.

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    That is not a pro-family position. The pro-family position is that all families are important and all families matter. That it does not matter if it is a man and a woman, a woman and a woman, a man and a man, raising their biological or adopted children. All families are important and they all matter. That is the pro-family message.

    This message that one man and one woman is the only acceptable family unit is nothing but pure anti-family garbage.
    All families are important, but the truth remains that God's plan for marriage and family is men and women raising children and raising them according to His truth. Anything else misses the mark as far as being the "best." Sure any other couple can raise a kid that grows up to be successful and doesn't commit crime, but if they aren't raised according to God's principals then it's not what is best for them. God has a plan for sex, marriage and how the family is supposed to work. People are free to believe what they want or do what they want and homosexuals should be allowed to adopt, but that doesn't mean their union is valid in God's eyes or even optimal as far as being the best form of parenting. That's just the solid truth of the matter.
    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    It's double speak. The same kind that brings us "pro-life" and "pro-abortion". There is no such thing as "pro-life" or "pro-abortion". There are only "pro-choice" and "anti-choice". Either you're in favor of women having reproductive choice, or you're not. Nobody is favor of having abortions used in all pregnancies or 'pro-life' when keeping the baby results in the mother's death. However, there are a few people who insist that these labels are accurate for the positions they represent. That's nonsense. They're not. They're meant to emotionally charge the issue and digsbe has demonstrated that in spades. He has ignored every study which contradicts his statement about what is best in favor of his own subjective morality. If that doesn't tell you how flawed the positions of pro-family advocates are, I don't know what will.
    I didn't ignore it, in fact I've said given data homosexuals and others can raise children just fine. However, due to spiritual truths it's not the best compared to a one man one woman relationship with God as the head

    I don't know how I can be any more clear on that. But you can continue to ignore spiritual truths, call things nonsense that you either don't understand or refuse to attempt to understand. And people can be pro-life, the whole position is that the unborn have a right to life, it's a stance that human life should be protected and not killed electively. Saying "pro-choice" and "anti-choice" is fundamentally ignorant of the pro-life position and a common close minded rhetoric trick many use to delegitimize a position, similar to saying pro-choice people are "anti-life" or "baby killers."
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