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    Re: Emails Show “Pro-Family” Activists Feeding Contacts To Russian Nationalists

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    Re: Emails Show “Pro-Family” Activists Feeding Contacts To Russian Nationalists

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    Re: Emails Show “Pro-Family” Activists Feeding Contacts To Russian Nationalists

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    It didnt say Russians are evil. It stated that documents coming from a man named Georgy Gavrish who is part of the Eurasianist movement with "frequent correspondence between senior Russian figures, such as Dugin, the financier Konstantin Malofeev — who has close ties to Russian-backed separatists in Ukraine and is a patron of causes dear to the Orthodox Church — and Alexey Komov, an official with the Orthodox patriarchy and the “Russian representative” of the World Congress of Families, a social conservative network based in Rockford, Illinois."
    What specifically about their message is bad though? Are they agreeing with aspects of another group's ideology or just discussing common family issues?

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    Depends on how you define "best." The best home is a loving mother and father who raise their kids according to God's principals, by definition a gay couple living together are going against God's principals. Just because homosexuals can raise kids and not have them be screwed up doesn't mean it's the best option. I'm not against homosexuals raising kids or adopting, but it's not the best option.
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    Re: Emails Show “Pro-Family” Activists Feeding Contacts To Russian Nationalists

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    What specifically about their message is bad though? Are they agreeing with aspects of another group's ideology or just discussing common family issues?
    "Bad" is a perception. At no where in the article did they say "bad". They simply pointed out what is going on. Now in my opinion this just proves how degrading the "pro-family" (whatever that means) movement. Allying themselves with borderline fascsits...


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    Re: Emails Show “Pro-Family” Activists Feeding Contacts To Russian Nationalists

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    "Bad" is a perception. At no where in the article did they say "bad". They simply pointed out what is going on. Now in my opinion this just proves how degrading the "pro-family" (whatever that means) movement. Allying themselves with borderline fascsits...
    It's just a hit piece meaning to be damning towards a group that Buzzfeed is ideologically opposed too. If you don't know what "pro-family" means it means supporting the nuclear family unit of one man one woman raising adopted and biological children, they also tend to oppose divorce and push the stance that healthy marriages are best for raising kids. If they are aligning with fascists or supporting such policies as takeover of nations that's one thing though.
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    Re: Emails Show “Pro-Family” Activists Feeding Contacts To Russian Nationalists

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    Depends on how you define "best."
    No it doesn't, "best" and "worst" don't exist in the studies I presented. That's your subjective standard. The studies I posted demonstrated no difference in how the children of gays and lesbians grow up. It also showed that gays and lesbians are just as capable of raising children. It also showed that "a moma and poppa lovin' ya" as the "best type of home" is bull****. Either get serious and present studies or don't try to worm yourself out your statement.

    The best home is a loving mother and father who raise their kids according to God's principals,
    Already demonstrated to be false and subjective. Why do you continue?

    by definition a gay couple living together are going against God's principals.
    Still demonstrating a lack of objectivity and a surplus of irrelevant standards? Odd.

    Just because homosexuals can raise kids and not have them be screwed up doesn't mean it's the best option. I'm not against homosexuals raising kids or adopting, but it's not the best option.
    The above is proven wrong by the very fact that the majority of the world manages to raise its children without a reliance on the standards of your god or for that matter one god (as most of the world's population isn't linked to the Abrahamic faiths). That after that, you continue to present your objective definitions which are easily proven wrong by studies upon studies is just mindboggling.
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    Re: Emails Show “Pro-Family” Activists Feeding Contacts To Russian Nationalists

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    It's just a hit piece meaning to be damning towards a group that Buzzfeed is ideologically opposed too.
    A "hit" piece? I think it just shows who this movement is connected with.... Its showing what is happening... If that is a "hit piece" then so be it, maybe they should see who they align themselves with...

    If you don't know what "pro-family" means it means supporting the nuclear family unit of one man one woman raising adopted and biological children, they also tend to oppose divorce and push the stance that healthy marriages are best for raising kids. If they are aligning with fascists or supporting such policies as takeover of nations that's one thing though.
    Seems like this movement needs some borderline Russian nationalists on their side...


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    Re: Emails Show “Pro-Family” Activists Feeding Contacts To Russian Nationalists

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    No it doesn't, "best" and "worst" don't exist in the studies I presented. That's your subjective standard. The studies I posted demonstrated no difference in how the children of gays and lesbians grow up. It also showed that gays and lesbians are just as capable of raising children. It also showed that "a moma and poppa lovin' ya" as the "best type of home" is bull****. Either get serious and present studies or don't try to worm yourself out your statement.



    Already demonstrated to be false and subjective. Why do you continue?



    Still demonstrating a lack of objectivity and a surplus of irrelevant standards? Odd.



    The above is proven wrong by the very fact that the majority of the world manages to raise its children without a reliance on the standards of your god or for that matter one god (as most of the world's population isn't a member of the Abrahamic faiths). That after that, you continue to present your objective definitions which are easily proven wrong by studies upon studies is just mindboggling.
    The problem is you are looking at things solely through a secular lens, when the fact is that God designed sex and the family unit and to neglect that leaves out a massive piece of the pie when it comes to marriage and family.

    Does it matter that the majority of the world lives in sin with most dying and spending eternity in hell because they rejected repentance and truth when it was presented to them? The problem is that you refuse to recognize these principals, cling to solely the secular and want to ignore the fact that God designed the family unit with a purpose. Your studies don't negate any of that or address the question of spiritual truth, which is a large portion of how the family is supposed to operate. People are free to believe what they want, raise their children how they want to and love who they want to but at the end of the day Biblical truth is Biblical truth, and truth says to raise children in accordance with God's principal and to not divorce for reasons outside of marital unfaithfulness (cheating, physical abuse, etc). I'm not ignoring studies or saying that when the endpoint is "raising children" that other families can't do that or do it well, but if the spiritual aspect of God's truth is left out then it's not the best option.
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    Re: Emails Show “Pro-Family” Activists Feeding Contacts To Russian Nationalists

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    The problem is you are looking at things solely through a secular lens,
    No, I look at things from a lens which can be scrutinized, not a subjective position which is reliant only on your personal definitions of what is best and what isn't best. Do you want to try this again?

    when the fact is that God designed sex and the family unit and to neglect that leaves out a massive piece of the pie when it comes to marriage and family.

    Does it matter that the majority of the world lives in sin with most dying and spending eternity in hell because they rejected repentance and truth when it was presented to them? The problem is that you refuse to recognize these principals, cling to solely the secular and want to ignore the fact that God designed the family unit with a purpose. Your studies don't negate any of that or address the question of spiritual truth, which is a large portion of how the family is supposed to operate. People are free to believe what they want, raise their children how they want to and love who they want to but at the end of the day Biblical truth is Biblical truth, and truth says to raise children in accordance with God's principal and to not divorce for reasons outside of marital unfaithfulness (cheating, physical abuse, etc). I'm not ignoring studies or saying that when the endpoint is "raising children" that other families can't do that or do it well, but if the spiritual aspect of God's truth is left out then it's not the best option.
    Please stop polluting the thread with your religious gobbledygook and doublespeak. You made a statement which has been proven false through observation; not through a person's own beliefs on what is and isn't the best family. When you're trying to say is children grow up best in a hetersexual christian home and then you ignore the findings that show they grow up to be the same in a homosexual home, you are in fact ignoring the studies which prove you wrong. Not only that, you're showing that in every community which raises children just fine without your god is wrong because of your religious beliefs on how kids should be raised. That's got to be a different level of eurocentrism, ethnocentrism, christocentrism, that ignores the massive data that shows differently. In other words, it's nonsense.
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    Re: Emails Show “Pro-Family” Activists Feeding Contacts To Russian Nationalists

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    The problem is you are looking at things solely through a secular lens, when the fact is that God designed sex and the family unit and to neglect that leaves out a massive piece of the pie when it comes to marriage and family.
    Well, you certainly don't need to have a "religious" lens to know that American pro-family leaders meeting with nationalist politicians of our "biggest geopolitical foe" is suspect.
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