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Man Who Filmed Cop Choking Eric Garner Was Indicted (Video).....

Hatuey said:
Your article also states her father is a cop from Connecticut. Did you read your article before you posted it?
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First, not the article I posted. Second, it states he moved from conneticut. But I still don't know what that has to do with this.
 
Captain America said:
This event was on video too. He still got off. I think it's going to take more than video.
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Heya CA. :2wave: I think the Mayor of New York will make sure the NYPD takes action against the Cop that mashed Garners face into the sidewalk.

I don't think Holder and his Team can do anything by trying to take it to a Civil Rights suits. Other than Prove that they are attempting to manipulate civil rights laws. Which naturally people should file Law Suits against Holder and so States too.
 
MMC said:
Heya CA. :2wave: I think the Mayor of New York will make sure the NYPD takes action against the Cop that mashed Garners face into the sidewalk.

I don't think Holder and his Team can do anything by trying to take it to a Civil Rights suits. Other than Prove that they are attempting to manipulate civil rights laws. Which naturally people should file Law Suits against Holder and so States too.
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I don't think the justice department can do anything here. I think the grand jury got it wrong and this police officer, and others, used force that resulted in the death of this individual.
 
Chaddelamancha said:
I don't think the justice department can do anything here. I think the grand jury got it wrong and this police officer, and others, used force that resulted in the death of this individual.
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Heya CM :2wave: I think the cop should have been hooked up for excessive force. But if the jury is going by that Garner was resisting. I would have to agree that he was.

But now I wonder, if any other witnesses were being harassed by NYPD other than this guy and his family.
 
Lutherf said:
Selling loosies, tagging, rolling bones in the alley, etc. It's all small stuff. Nobody should hassle with it.

Except that it never ends there.

One day someone gets pissed someone moved in on "their" territory and throws a punch. The "victim" comes back with a motorcycle chain. Next thing you know there's a gun, sad as it seems, little Suzy who was just playing on her doorstep gets an "accidental" bullet in her head.

You can't just let "the small stuff" go. All that does is set a precedent for bigger stuff.
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It's that damned Elvis I tell ya!

Kids and their....Rock and Roll music!
 
MMC said:
Heya CM :2wave: I think the cop should have been hooked up for excessive force. But if the jury is going by that Garner was resisting. I would have to agree that he was.

But now I wonder, if any other witnesses were being harassed by NYPD other than this guy and his family.
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Resisting what? Dying?
 
The police clairvoyant detectives expected the Garner incident several years back, and so they began a pattern of arrests with the ultimate goal to discredit the man several years after he began. That....or...well...I suppose the guy could just be a scumbag petty criminal.

"Orta, 22, is no stranger to trouble, sources said. He has been arrested 27 times since 2009 for offenses ranging from fare evasion and pot possession to a robbery in May. He was also busted twice for gun possession and in January 2013 he was charged with menacing with a gun.

Reached at her Tompkinsville home, Lekaj insisted she too was innocent and that Orta - a man she claims to barely know - gave her the gun."
 
Chaddelamancha said:
This guy is an idiot.

NYPD chokehold videographer: cops

He has priors involving weapons, was in a known drug area, and had a weapon on him which he then gave to a minor in hopes that the cops wouldn't find it on him. If he thought the cops were following him and harassing him and he still had a gun on him, then I feel no pity for him.
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The guy is a scum bag - no doubt. The NYPD has enough problems though, and I'm not anxious to see them compound those problems.
 
MMC said:
Heya HB. :2wave: After seeing the Cop mash Garners face into the ground with Both hands while on his back.....I thought they would hook the cop up for excessive force. But I think the jury all went with.....that Garner knew why the cops was there and he resisted. From there the GJ only looked at murder and manslaughter charges that would apply. Something deliberate by the Cop.
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I have no idea exactly what went on with the GJ, and I think I have a moderate understanding of what went on with the cops and Garner. I read somewhere (?) that Garner was shaking down customers of the businesses in the area and that they'd complained. Garner knew what he was doing and why the cops were there. I don't understand his resistance, and I also don't understand why the cops didn't let up once they had him down. And no, I sure don't think the death of Garner was deliberately caused.
 
joko104 said:
I posted repeatedly that the GJ there indicted all but 3 out of over 250,000 cases brought before it in a 5 year period.
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They blew this one. I think the officers would be acquitted at trial, but I think a trial would have been in order in this case.
 
humbolt said:
I have no idea exactly what went on with the GJ, and I think I have a moderate understanding of what went on with the cops and Garner. I read somewhere (?) that Garner was shaking down customers of the businesses in the area and that they'd complained. Garner knew what he was doing and why the cops were there. I don't understand his resistance, and I also don't understand why the cops didn't let up once they had him down. And no, I sure don't think the death of Garner was deliberately caused.
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Mornin HB. :2wave: The whole Key to the GJ is.....they were asked if there was a crime committed by the cop. Looking at all of it.....there was no crime committed by the cop.

There is excessive force which would result in a Law Suit.....to be determined. Also there would be Police rules and regulations that would apply. Which the GJ has nothing to do with that.
 
Fearandloathing said:
Why do I believe this guy? Normally I would write it off to paranoia or attention getting. But for some reason I buy his story
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You believe him because you are applying persanl bias. You WANT to believe. The fact is that this same indiviudal has been arrested 27 times over the last few years for a variety of charges including weapons charges. Do the math, and thats once ever 3-4 months. So why is it that THIS time...the 28th time...THIS time its not because he is a scumbag but because of the cops unfairly targeting him?

Same goes for his wife. People are saying she was arrested for slapping a woman...but they dont say 1-did she actually slap someone and 2-if so, how the **** does her husbands case have ANY relevance in her criminal act or the police response?

Confirmation bias clouds judgement. It makes us see only what we want to see or rather expect to see.
 
MMC said:
Mornin HB. :2wave: The whole Key to the GJ is.....they were asked if there was a crime committed by the cop. Looking at all of it.....there was no crime committed by the cop.

There is excessive force which would result in a Law Suit.....to be determined. Also there would be Police rules and regulations that would apply. Which the GJ has nothing to do with that.
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Yeah, I kind of thought a negligence charge would apply. It's not that I think the police were necessarily guilty of anything but bad judgement, but that I think the secrecy of the GJ works against the better interests of both the public and the police in this case. The civil suit is a given.
 
soot said:
Agreed.

If the subjects don't lock their heels and bow their head before our authority figures, where will the authoritarian state be then?

Sieg heil!!!
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Who was it, in New York/New York City that passed the laws that caused Garner's and Ramsey's actiions to be illegal and bringing the police into their lives? Hint: It wasn't Conservatives.
 
MMC said:
This doesn't look good for the NYPD huh? What do you think about this guy who took the video of Garner? Is he telling stories or the truth?


Ramsey Orta, the man who filmed New York City Police Officer Daniel Pantaleo applying a fatal chokehold to Eric Garner on July 17, was indicted by a grand jury in Staten Island, New York.

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According to the Staten Island Advance, Orta was indicted on weapons charges after an arrest on Aug. 2 in the St. George neighborhood of Staten Island. "They lying on me, they doing me wrong," said Orta after he pleaded not guilty in August, noted the New York Daily News. "I've been harassed by the police since this whole video." Orta's mother told CBS New York that police had been following her son ever since he filmed Garner's death (video below).....snip~

Man Who Filmed Cop Choking Eric Garner Was Indicted (Video)
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The real story here, IMO, isn't the fact that he was indicted while the cop was not, but rather the (intentionally) misleading headline. This headline is flat-out lying-by-omission. The headline implies that this indictment was part of the same case as the Eric Garner case. It is not. It is completely separate and distinct. The two cases have nothing to do with each other whatsoever.
 
humbolt said:
Yeah, I kind of thought a negligence charge would apply. It's not that I think the police were necessarily guilty of anything but bad judgement, but that I think the secrecy of the GJ works against the better interests of both the public and the police in this case. The civil suit is a given.
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Oh there is definitely a bad call here. That cop made the wrong call and did show the judgment that he acted upon.
 
radcen said:
The real story here, IMO, isn't the fact that he was indicted while the cop was not, but rather the (intentionally) misleading headline. This headline is flat-out lying-by-omission. The headline implies that this indictment was part of the same case as the Eric Garner case. It is not. It is completely separate and distinct. The two cases have nothing to do with each other whatsoever.
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Mornin' Radcen. :2wave: There were others.....and I did post up the Wrap due to the info they had over the MS Media.

Also, I was looking for something that mentioned this guys wife and how she was arrested too.
 
MMC said:
Mornin Joko. :2wave: Resisting arrest.....they already acknowledged that Garner knocked the one officers arms away.
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Good morning to you too.

Knock the officer's arm away isn't resisting arrest.

The requirement for resisting arrest is first the person is told s/he is under arrest. I have yet to see that he was. In fact, all accounts I have read including what the officer said was that he was trying to detain Garner for an investigation of selling cigarettes illegally. Detaining someone is not the same as arresting someone, and again first he had to be told he was being detained before he could be resisting detainment.

IF that standard is met - telling him - only then do you reach the question of what may an officer do it a person is resisting arrest.

IF that had been done and if he was "resisting" - comes the question of what to do next. What about sneak up behind him and hit him in the head with a club? What about the other officer kicking him in the groin? Jabbing him in the eyes?

What was done was an officer snuck up behind him and jumped up on his back by surprise, with his arm around Garner's throat. To no surprise, Garner stumbled backwards, pressing the officer against a pane of glass - for which that officer now not only was endangering Garner's life, but his own. According to the officer, at that point he began a choke hold fearing for his own life that the window pane would break. Of course, that also meant there was fear to fear for Garner's life from that glass too.

From there other officers rushed Garner.

Jumping on Garner's back and with an arm around his neck was a violent, physical assault. The question then being was it a legal violent physical assault? It is acknowledged his assault was in violation of well known police policy. Violating police policy isn't a crime, but it does challenge whether he was rightly acting as a police officer. That policy prohibited assault - according to the officer - immediately endangered his own life and that of Garner. Ultimately, the coroner (an expert and not an anti-police person) rules on an autopsy that this assault's choke hold is what killed Garner. Thus, the officer's surprise assault from behind - an assault contrary to police policy - was a lethal assault.

it is from that the call for manslaughter/murder charges were called for by many people. I don't agree. I think the officer should have been charged with reckless endangerment and official oppression. Reckless endangerment because his police policy prohibited assault endangers his and Garner's life by the officer's own statement. Since this violated departmental policy and was an assault, he was wrongly acting under the color of his uniform/badge.

Anyway, that's my opinion.
 
Chaddelamancha said:
Listening to him talk on his video, I get the impression that he isn't the biggest fan of the cops in the first place. I would wager if you asked him before the video if cops ever "harassed" him, the answer would still be yes.
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Is it difficult for you to understand how he might not be a fan of the cops?

It is about the same thing as why an Afghani might not be a fan of the US after his village, including friends and family, is droned by the US.

Not rocket science, just predictable human behavior.

The cops are protectors of the status quo, and the status quo is pretty damn rotten from the perspective of young black and latino men in most cities in the US.
 
joko104 said:
Good morning to you too.

Knock the officer's arm away isn't resisting arrest.

The requirement for resisting arrest is first the person is told s/he is under arrest. I have yet to see that he was. In fact, all accounts I have read including what the officer said was that he was trying to detain Garner for an investigation of selling cigarettes illegally. Detaining someone is not the same as arresting someone, and again first he had to be told he was being detained before he could be resisting detainment.

IF that standard is met - telling him - only then do you reach the question of what may an officer do it a person is resisting arrest.

IF that had been done and if he was "resisting" - comes the question of what to do next. What about sneak up behind him and hit him in the head with a club? What about the other officer kicking him in the groin? Jabbing him in the eyes?

What was done was an officer snuck up behind him and jumped up on his back by surprise, with his arm around Garner's throat. To no surprise, Garner stumbled backwards, pressing the officer against a pane of glass - for which that officer now not only was endangering Garner's life, but his own. According to the officer, at that point he began a choke hold fearing for his own life that the window pane would break. Of course, that also meant there was fear to fear for Garner's life from that glass too.

From there other officers rushed Garner.

Jumping on Garner's back and with an arm around his neck was a violent, physical assault. The question then being was it a legal violent physical assault? It is acknowledged his assault was in violation of well known police policy. Violating police policy isn't a crime, but it does challenge whether he was rightly acting as a police officer. That policy prohibited assault - according to the officer - immediately endangered his own life and that of Garner. Ultimately, the coroner (an expert and not an anti-police person) rules on an autopsy that this assault's choke hold is what killed Garner. Thus, the officer's surprise assault from behind - an assault contrary to police policy - was a lethal assault.

it is from that the call for manslaughter/murder charges were called for by many people. I don't agree. I think the officer should have been charged with reckless endangerment and official oppression. Reckless endangerment because his police policy prohibited assault endangers his and Garner's life by the officer's own statement. Since this violated departmental policy and was an assault, he was wrongly acting under the color of his uniform/badge.

Anyway, that's my opinion.
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Post 1136.

Because everytime you see me, you want to harass me. You want to stop me [garbled] Selling cigarettes. I'm minding my business, officer, I'm minding my business. Please just leave me alone. I told you the last time, please just leave me alone."[25] Garner swatted their arms away, saying, "Don't touch me, please." He was then put in a chokehold or headlock from behind by officer Daniel Pantaleo, in order to be subdued.....snip~

http://www.debatepolitics.com/break...tment-chokehold-death-114.html#post1064054345


According to the Police Union and others Garner was given a lawful order. But the video doesn't show this. I would think there was witness testimony to that issue.

This morning the NYPD Union came out saying the Mayor threw them under the bus.
 
Isn't THIS the bottom line of all of this---do not mess with cops, they have guns, clubs, dogs and mace, they out number you, they have radios to call for more cops. To all punks that push for trouble do you still not understand you are going to GET trouble?
 
MMC said:
This doesn't look good for the NYPD huh? What do you think about this guy who took the video of Garner? Is he telling stories or the truth?



Ramsey Orta, the man who filmed New York City Police Officer Daniel Pantaleo applying a fatal chokehold to Eric Garner on July 17, was indicted by a grand jury in Staten Island, New York.

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According to the Staten Island Advance, Orta was indicted on weapons charges after an arrest on Aug. 2 in the St. George neighborhood of Staten Island. "They lying on me, they doing me wrong," said Orta after he pleaded not guilty in August, noted the New York Daily News. "I've been harassed by the police since this whole video." Orta's mother told CBS New York that police had been following her son ever since he filmed Garner's death (video below).....snip~

Man Who Filmed Cop Choking Eric Garner Was Indicted (Video)
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Orta doesn't look to me like a momma's boy, so how does his mother know the police have been following her baby all this time? Another mother who takes as gospel every word her precious baby tells her.

Baby boy is getting his 15 minutes in the sun. We'll see if there's any truth to the charge when it gets to court. Hoping to sway the jury by claiming a police frame job is a time honoured defense in America.
 
CanadaJohn said:
Orta doesn't look to me like a momma's boy, so how does his mother know the police have been following her baby all this time? Another mother who takes as gospel every word her precious baby tells her.

Baby boy is getting his 15 minutes in the sun. We'll see if there's any truth to the charge when it gets to court. Hoping to sway the jury by claiming a police frame job is a time honoured defense in America.
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Mornin' CJ. :2wave: As I mentioned earlier.....there is to much that is Coincidincy with this guy here. But with priors, stemming before the Garner issue comes up. This guy should have known the cops would be keeping an eye on him.
 
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