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    Re: Fake veteran called out by actual soldier may face federal charges

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    I've been told that the policy didn't change, only the enforcement of it. Pisses me off as well. The Army has a lot of things to fix due to the surge of people they got from the War on Terror. Those guys took anyone with a heartbeat for about 5 years there.
    Yup, and they are often treated like royalty now. I wonder if this would piss me off so much if my husband hadn't had to go through what he did.
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    Re: Fake veteran called out by actual soldier may face federal charges

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    So?........
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    Agreed, but I doubt a civilian working on Black Friday would know that, or would probably feel disrespectful asking for it. An actual soldier would have no issue showing it though...
    Thank you, Ockham, for answering him.

    Although I'm not quite sure why it needed to be answered by either of us. Thought it was pretty self-explanatory.
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    Re: Fake veteran called out by actual soldier may face federal charges

    Quote Originally Posted by Northern Light View Post
    Kind of makes me think about the level of privilege soldiers have in our culture's iconography, and how impersonating that is some kind of sacrilege.

    We shouldn't venerate all soldiers. Some people use the military to get through college, and they get nice cushy jobs in the military -- no self-sacrifice required. I don't really view those people with the same level of esteem as someone who fought in a war zone and saw their friends die. But they seem to receive a sort of carte blanche kind of pride, regardless of what they did.

    People shouldn't impersonate someone in the military, anymore than they should impersonate a cop or someone in government. On the other hand, I don't think upper class people who get high ranks in the military and basically do nothing should get my respect either.
    As a retired Navy man, I strongly agree that we've taken the almost-worship of military vets too far. Yes, those who are truly disabled - and especially those who are combat-wounded - should have some privileges...but not ALL veterans. After all, most retired military will agree that their service was more of a privilege than a soul-crushing burden.
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    Re: Fake veteran called out by actual soldier may face federal charges

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    This further leads me to believe that the US Army, Air Force, and Navy need to cease their practice of allowing soldiers/airmen/sailors to wear utilities off base.

    A little background on this. In case you guys didn't know, Marines are not allowed to wear utilities off base except to and from base and to special events that are approved by Headquarters Marine Corps. Examples of unauthorized wearing would be stopping for gas on the way home, stopping at McDonald's and going in, etc. Authorized wearing would be Fleet Week in NYC or a static display at a military appreciation event. Marines can also go through a drive through in cammies but not a Sonic (the vehicle stops). Don't ask me why, I didn't make the rules.

    The reasons the other branches should cease this is that the service uniforms are A) Harder to fake. Utilities are pretty easy to fake. You can throw them on, look at a picture online of someone else wearing them to try and get it close, and off you go. B) Is more expensive. There are a lot of gadgets, ribbons, etc you have to buy for a dress uniform and they can get pricey. Also, you aren't going to find many serviceable service uniforms at a Army Navy surplus. C) It is easy to look like crap in a service uniform if you don't know what you're doing. Everything from the allowable distance between the bottom of your trousers to the heel of the shoe to double creases to length of the belt end are things a real service member would know. Some of us get a few of those things wrong sure. But not egregiously and not all together. If it is out of regulations, it's usually only barely out. D) Personally, I think the other branches look like crap out there in utilities. They aren't made to be presented to the public. They are made for utility type work ie conducting maintenance on trucks, training, etc.
    That's not a bad suggestion.

    And while it would certainly be easier to spot a uniform violation on a man or woman wearing a service uniform, 3 CIBs on fatigues would be hard to miss.

    Once when traveling on TDY orders on commercial air from Offutt AFB to Barksdale AFB with a friend from my squadron I noticed that he was wearing his badge on his service uniform. Back then we were required to wear a service uniform to travel commercial transportation. I asked him why he was wearing it and he said that he had forgotten to take it off and "@#$% it anyway".

    We had been in the terminal walking around and waiting on our flight for less than 20 minutes when a guy (civilian clothes) came up and asked if my friend was escorting me, was I his prisoner? The guy badged us, OSI, and told my friend that if he wasn't on duty that he needed to take off his badge. My badge was in my AWOL bag. I was cool...and laughing my ass off.










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    Re: Fake veteran called out by actual soldier may face federal charges

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    As a retired Navy man, I strongly agree that we've taken the almost-worship of military vets too far. Yes, those who are truly disabled - and especially those who are combat-wounded - should have some privileges...but not ALL veterans. After all, most retired military will agree that their service was more of a privilege than a soul-crushing burden.
    I don't think we've taken it too far. That someone can lie about who they are is protected but, they cannot profit from the lie. In this case, it remains to be seen if this Sean Yetman did profit. To me, someone like this diminishes the service and sacrifice many have made and will continue to make. If Sean wants to wear the uniform he should volunteer like everyone else has for the past 40 years. I would think no matter the outcome, the public shaming by an actual veteran may be adequate and serve as a warning to other wannabes. Frankly, I like that our military is revered instead of despised.
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    Re: Fake veteran called out by actual soldier may face federal charges

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Read more and video @: Fake veteran called out by actual soldier may face federal charges

    Saw this video earlier this week. Its really disgusting that people impersonate soldiers to get some sort of personal ego trip or some sort of deal. I'm glad that he got called out for his disgusting acts and I hope that if he did indeed break a law be persecuted for it. [/FONT][/COLOR]
    I don't think we should prosecute him - instead, I think that anyone who does that should be immediately drafted and sent forthwith to the crappiest duty stations on the planet (as long as it's a place where they can't endanger the real military personnel). Their rank would be E-0 (one step below E-1), and they would wear a big-assed crap-brown medal that everyone would recognize as being worn by someone who impersonated the military. Sure, give 'em the opportunity to advance...but they'd still have to wear that crap-brown medal.

    Put him on a ship with me, and he'd learn just how crappy life can be...and then let the Marines have him, and he can find out just how good he had it on board the ship....

    Yeah, I'm a far-left progressive...but when it comes to military impersonators, yeah, there's more than a few of my fellow military retirees here who despise those impersonators just as much (or even more) than I do.
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    Re: Fake veteran called out by actual soldier may face federal charges

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    I don't think we've taken it too far. That someone can lie about who they are is protected but, they cannot profit from the lie. In this case, it remains to be seen if this Sean Yetman did profit. To me, someone like this diminishes the service and sacrifice many have made and will continue to make. If Sean wants to wear the uniform he should volunteer like everyone else has for the past 40 years. I would think no matter the outcome, the public shaming by an actual veteran may be adequate and serve as a warning to other wannabes. Frankly, I like that our military is revered instead of despised.
    Revered is good...but only up to a certain point. Taken too far, and it's detrimental to the society as a whole.
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    Re: Fake veteran called out by actual soldier may face federal charges

    Quote Originally Posted by Superfly View Post
    I will ask you again, seeing as how you ignored my question the first time.

    Did you serve?
    I'm sorry but I couldn't help but laugh reading the first sentence -- sounds like my wife, hands on her hips and everything.

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    Re: Fake veteran called out by actual soldier may face federal charges

    Quote Originally Posted by Jango View Post
    I'm sorry but I couldn't help but laugh reading the first sentence -- sounds like my wife, hands on her hips and everything.
    Well, I almost had my hands on my hips asking. Fat lot of good it did, though, as NW never answered me.
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    Re: Fake veteran called out by actual soldier may face federal charges

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post

    Remember, Timothy McVeigh served in the military.
    Damn. Just damn.

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