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    Re: Fake veteran called out by actual soldier may face federal charges

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    There is a difference between being a poseur and a poseur who is attempting to defraud. This Sean Yetman was trying to take advantage of discounts available to vets on Black Friday.
    That's what scumbags do. They do scummy things. If the retailers want to press charges then that's a whole different thing than just being an idiot who wants to play soldier.

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    Re: Fake veteran called out by actual soldier may face federal charges

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
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    Saw this video earlier this week. Its really disgusting that people impersonate soldiers to get some sort of personal ego trip or some sort of deal. I'm glad that he got called out for his disgusting acts and I hope that if he did indeed break a law be persecuted for it. [/FONT][/COLOR]
    If he didn't reap any material benefit I don't think he should be prosecuted for anything. I'm a near absolutist when it comes to freedom of speech and it isn't appropriate to imprison someone for being a liar.

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    Re: Fake veteran called out by actual soldier may face federal charges

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Let's just be clear - the original Stolen Valor Act of 2005 was overturned in 2012 by the SCOTUS. There was a new Stolen Valor law signed into law in June 2013 by Obama, called The Stolen Valor Act of 2013.

    That was signed into law and is still in effect - narrowing and clarifying the 2005 law that states the liar must be profit from claiming to be a soldier - which in this case, he did, shopping on Black Friday and I am assuming, getting military discounts.


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    Thanks for the info, Ockham.

    I know this really has nothing to do with the Stolen Valor Act, but how can someone get away with getting a military discount without having to show their ID? I ask for the discount everywhere I shop, and every place that offers it, requires you show your ID before you can receive the discount.
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    Re: Fake veteran called out by actual soldier may face federal charges

    Quote Originally Posted by Northern Light View Post
    Kind of makes me think about the level of privilege soldiers have in our culture's iconography, and how impersonating that is some kind of sacrilege.

    We shouldn't venerate all soldiers. Some people use the military to get through college, and they get nice cushy jobs in the military -- no self-sacrifice required. I don't really view those people with the same level of esteem as someone who fought in a war zone and saw their friends die. But they seem to receive a sort of carte blanche kind of pride, regardless of what they did.

    People shouldn't impersonate someone in the military, anymore than they should impersonate a cop or someone in government. On the other hand, I don't think upper class people who get high ranks in the military and basically do nothing should get my respect either.
    And you have the right to treat us with the level of respect you choose.

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    Re: Fake veteran called out by actual soldier may face federal charges

    Quote Originally Posted by Northern Light View Post
    The same social issues such as classism, racism, sexism, etc. that occur in the rest of society occur in the military.
    Of course they do. The military is made up of humans and is a reflection of the society they come from.

    That being said it has nothing whatsoever to do with the question you continue to avoid. So again can you tell me what upper class citizen is just given high rank and has to make no self sacrifices.

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    Re: Fake veteran called out by actual soldier may face federal charges

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
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    Saw this video earlier this week. Its really disgusting that people impersonate soldiers to get some sort of personal ego trip or some sort of deal. I'm glad that he got called out for his disgusting acts and I hope that if he did indeed break a law be persecuted for it. [/FONT][/COLOR]
    I agree he's a **** head, but just sporting the uniform in public, looking cool isn't a crime, IMO.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Fake veteran called out by actual soldier may face federal charges

    Quote Originally Posted by Superfly View Post
    Thanks for the info, Ockham.

    I know this really has nothing to do with the Stolen Valor Act, but how can someone get away with getting a military discount without having to show their ID? I ask for the discount everywhere I shop, and every place that offers it, requires you show your ID before you can receive the discount.
    I'm guessing here (pure speculation) but since the guy was in full fatigues, asking for an ID wouldn't have been needed. The only people who really would have seen through the costume (in this case that what it was since he is not in the military) was someone who also wore the uniform and could identify the slight mistakes. Unless the clerk working in the store was also a recent vet, I wouldn't expect they'd question him.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Fake veteran called out by actual soldier may face federal charges

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
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    Saw this video earlier this week. Its really disgusting that people impersonate soldiers to get some sort of personal ego trip or some sort of deal. I'm glad that he got called out for his disgusting acts and I hope that if he did indeed break a law be persecuted for it. [/FONT][/COLOR]
    Pisses me off as well. Thanks for posting and for the support my friend.
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    Re: Fake veteran called out by actual soldier may face federal charges

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    I dont think he was talking smack. There is a level of hero worshipping towards Vets in the US, UK etc and he is right it is not always warranted. I know guys that served 5 years in the army and now earn 5 figure salaries using the traning they received, I know guys who were terrible at their jobs, guys who always tried to get out of any hevay lifting and guys who needed mental help.
    But that doesn't belittle the fact that they served. Just because somebody is a mental patient doesn't mean that they don't deserve respect. Remember that a lot of people developed mental health issues as a result of their service. And 5 figures could be as little as 10K a year, which is around minimum wage.

    End of the day its a career choice we all make and as much as I would like people to recognise my service I certiantly dont expect it.
    OK. I will say this. I am the wife of a Vietnam-era Vet. Nobody knows the frustration of this more than I do. People coming back today are thrown parades, given free houses, free cars, and made out to be heroes, even if they never left the motor pool or the mess hall. Todays soldiers come back heroes and have possibly never even seen combat. Vietnam vets came back and were spat on. My husband had to remove his uniform when he disembarked his plane, along with all the other soldiers, because his company commander didn't want them to be spat on, or called baby killers.

    Big difference in the way they were treated, and it stinks. You see homeless vets now? I'd bet 80% or higher are Vietnam vets.

    The issue I have is this -- people shouldn't talk about things they don't understand. If they've never served, they don't have the right to complain about the military. Put on a uniform, walk a mile in a soldier's boots, or be the wife or the child of a soldier, and then they can talk. Otherwise, they can STFU.
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    Re: Fake veteran called out by actual soldier may face federal charges

    This further leads me to believe that the US Army, Air Force, and Navy need to cease their practice of allowing soldiers/airmen/sailors to wear utilities off base.

    A little background on this. In case you guys didn't know, Marines are not allowed to wear utilities off base except to and from base and to special events that are approved by Headquarters Marine Corps. Examples of unauthorized wearing would be stopping for gas on the way home, stopping at McDonald's and going in, etc. Authorized wearing would be Fleet Week in NYC or a static display at a military appreciation event. Marines can also go through a drive through in cammies but not a Sonic (the vehicle stops). Don't ask me why, I didn't make the rules.

    The reasons the other branches should cease this is that the service uniforms are A) Harder to fake. Utilities are pretty easy to fake. You can throw them on, look at a picture online of someone else wearing them to try and get it close, and off you go. B) Is more expensive. There are a lot of gadgets, ribbons, etc you have to buy for a dress uniform and they can get pricey. Also, you aren't going to find many serviceable service uniforms at a Army Navy surplus. C) It is easy to look like crap in a service uniform if you don't know what you're doing. Everything from the allowable distance between the bottom of your trousers to the heel of the shoe to double creases to length of the belt end are things a real service member would know. Some of us get a few of those things wrong sure. But not egregiously and not all together. If it is out of regulations, it's usually only barely out. D) Personally, I think the other branches look like crap out there in utilities. They aren't made to be presented to the public. They are made for utility type work ie conducting maintenance on trucks, training, etc.
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