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    Re: Fake veteran called out by actual soldier may face federal charges

    Quote Originally Posted by Superfly View Post
    Well he/she has been online since I asked, and I still don't have an answer, so... I think we have our answer.

    Really easy to talk smack about things you have absolutely no idea about.
    I dont think he was talking smack. There is a level of hero worshipping towards Vets in the US, UK etc and he is right it is not always warranted. I know guys that served 5 years in the army and now earn 5 figure salaries using the traning they received, I know guys who were terrible at their jobs, guys who always tried to get out of any hevay lifting and guys who needed mental help.

    End of the day its a career choice we all make and as much as I would like people to recognise my service I certiantly dont expect it.
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    Re: Fake veteran called out by actual soldier may face federal charges

    Let's just be clear - the original Stolen Valor Act of 2005 was overturned in 2012 by the SCOTUS. There was a new Stolen Valor law signed into law in June 2013 by Obama, called The Stolen Valor Act of 2013.

    That was signed into law and is still in effect - narrowing and clarifying the 2005 law that states the liar must be profit from claiming to be a soldier - which in this case, he did, shopping on Black Friday and I am assuming, getting military discounts.


    Stolen Valor Act of 2013 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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    Re: Fake veteran called out by actual soldier may face federal charges

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    Look, I'm a vet and I think that what this guy did is pure assholery but I don't want to see charges pressed. I didn't choose to take on the responsibilities of a service member so that some day we could start criminalizing stupid and thoughtless behavior. Feel free to shame the guy and call him out for being a fraud but federal charges are just out of line for something this stupid.
    There is a difference between being a poseur and a poseur who is attempting to defraud. This Sean Yetman was trying to take advantage of discounts available to vets on Black Friday.

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    Re: Fake veteran called out by actual soldier may face federal charges

    Quote Originally Posted by Northern Light View Post
    Kind of makes me think about the level of privilege soldiers have in our culture's iconography, and how impersonating that is some kind of sacrilege.

    We shouldn't venerate all soldiers. Some people use the military to get through college, and they get nice cushy jobs in the military -- no self-sacrifice required. I don't really view those people with the same level of esteem as someone who fought in a war zone and saw their friends die. But they seem to receive a sort of carte blanche kind of pride, regardless of what they did.

    People shouldn't impersonate someone in the military, anymore than they should impersonate a cop or someone in government. On the other hand, I don't think upper class people who get high ranks in the military and basically do nothing should get my respect either.
    Is a veteran who served in peace time any less of a veteran because they weren't "lucky" enough to serve in wartime and combat?

    The correct answer is, "No, they are not any less of a veteran."

    To be fair, though, I do remember many people called to duty in Bush I's 1991 Iraq War saying things like, "I didn't sign up for this. I just wanted the free college money."

    Ummm, yeah, you did sign up for it. Now shut up and report.
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    Re: Fake veteran called out by actual soldier may face federal charges

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Read more and video @: Fake veteran called out by actual soldier may face federal charges

    Saw this video earlier this week. Its really disgusting that people impersonate soldiers to get some sort of personal ego trip or some sort of deal. I'm glad that he got called out for his disgusting acts and I hope that if he did indeed break a law be persecuted for it. [/FONT][/COLOR]
    I thought the SCOTUS ruled lying was free speech and the Stolen Valor Act was basically meaningless.
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    Re: Fake veteran called out by actual soldier may face federal charges

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    I thought the SCOTUS ruled lying was free speech and the Stolen Valor Act was basically meaningless.
    They did - however the new 2013 version of the law said if the liar profits from the lie, he is in violation of the law.
    “I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on what’s being proposed here, he’d agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute.” - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Fake veteran called out by actual soldier may face federal charges

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    I thought the SCOTUS ruled lying was free speech and the Stolen Valor Act was basically meaningless.
    I thought the revised it in 2013?


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    Re: Fake veteran called out by actual soldier may face federal charges

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    They did - however the new 2013 version of the law said if the liar profits from the lie, he is in violation of the law.
    Ah, and thanks.
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    Re: Fake veteran called out by actual soldier may face federal charges

    To me this is similar to flag desecration laws. The act is vile and disgraceful, but outlawing it goes against everything people fight to preserve.
    If you claim sexual harassment to be wrong, yet you defend anyone on your side for any reason,
    then you are a hypocrite and everything you say on the matter is just babble.

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    Re: Fake veteran called out by actual soldier may face federal charges

    Quote Originally Posted by braindrain View Post
    Still dont want to tell me who these upper class people that just are given high rank are that never have to sacrifice are huh Why am I not surprised.
    The same social issues such as classism, racism, sexism, etc. that occur in the rest of society occur in the military.

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