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    Re: Fake veteran called out by actual soldier may face federal charges

    Oh my god!!!! Some fat guy went out and bought some clearly fake military uniform and is parading around a mall eatery with it!!!! What a disaster and outrage!!!!


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    SO what honestly? I'm all for respecting the military and I do but at the same time, let's be real. People are only in the military on average a handful of years then they either go civilian and work for the military somehow or leave it entirely. A few years of service where you're being PAID to do a JOB doesn't warrant lifetime respect. It warrants "Oh you served in the military a long ass time ago, cool, good for you".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Superfly View Post
    I never said "all" the troops, but granted, the troops are treated much better now than they were then. If you can't see that, nothing I say is going to change that.
    Beg your pardon but can you please show me where I wrote you said "all" the troops?

    No, I wrote
    But your initial tone was that all the troops now days were coming home to rose petal parades with keys to a new car and home.
    And here is your initial tone, you be the judge:
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    People coming back today are thrown parades, given free houses, free cars, and made out to be heroes, even if they never left the motor pool or the mess hall.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Capster78 View Post
    I think the only way you could ever understand why they are given this kind of treatment, is to actually be in the military. You are asked to do a lot of things while being paid terribly to do them. I don't think the general populace understand what the average military member goes thru.
    I get this, I really do (and thanks for what you wrote). I've just been to a lot of different countries in my life and the way people view the military around the world varies. It ranges from pride, to neutral, to hostile, to they just come across as a joke (like in Brazil). America's culture of military is highly glorified and prideful. I don't think it's as simple as the social contract they engage in, it also has to do with our culture of violence and awarding those who carry it out.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gonzo Rodeo View Post
    I agree with almost all of your sentiments expressed here, except one:

    What is a "cushy job"? And how does someone go about getting it? Do these jobs not have to attend basic training? Is there such a thing as a military job that will *never* deploy? (There isn't.)

    As a veteran, I get annoyed when people thank me for my service. I literally didn't do it for them. I'll take a free appetizer at Applebee's once a year, whatever. But to intone there is such a thing as "an easy job" in any branch of the military, that is simply false. There are tough jobs, and there are really tough jobs, but the service itself can be soul crushing.

    I was an aviator. I heard (and caused) a lot of death on a radio. But it did it "over there," and just being away from home for six or nine months, stuck in a room or an airplane with people you may really love or really hate, without a day off from them or from work, and then an abrupt transition back to home life... that's tough on anyone, whether you're kicking in doors or pushing paper in the finance office. Nobody shot at me, but the fear of death followed me up in the sky every single day for months at a time. And to some, I had a "cushy job".
    I know that the entire military functions as one apparatus (or is supposed to), which is why every position is important. No debate there. What I'm talking about is self-sacrifice. Everyone in uniform gets praise because they did basic training and got a job. Some people just do the basic training, go to school in the military, fork over X number of work hours, and then quit and go to the private sector. No expenses.

    My issue is with pride in general. I think it blinds our nation to its true virtues and weaknesses, and the military is no exception.

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    I have great level respect for all who take the oath and serve honorably. Combat arms or not. There is a level of risk no matter how cushy a job you may think some soldiers have. An active soldier knows that he or she could be sent anywhere at anytime if all hell breaks loose. One of my co-workers was a Marine reservist. There was no war going on when he enlisted. However he ended up doing two tours in Iraq. On the second one, he got his left arm blown off. One of the reasons he joined was to put himself through college.
    I'm not putting them down. Their work is their work, I've got no beef with it. My beef is with the culture of glorification and pride around the military. Same with NFL stars actually... why do we elevate these people to the status of worship?

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    As a retired Navy man, I strongly agree that we've taken the almost-worship of military vets too far. Yes, those who are truly disabled - and especially those who are combat-wounded - should have some privileges...but not ALL veterans. After all, most retired military will agree that their service was more of a privilege than a soul-crushing burden.
    Totally agree! You're the first one to echo what I'm talking about. The worship is out of line. Some people really do deserve our standing ovation. I really respect people based on their individual stories, not for their organization as a whole. It's like saying we should respect everyone in government no matter who they are. Well no, nobody does that... we see what everyone's about and then decide.

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    And you have the right to treat us with the level of respect you choose.

    We protected that right for you.
    My rights have not been in jeopardy my entire life.

    Also, not really what I was talking about anyway. But no convo is complete without a little self-righteousness injected, am I right?

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    Re: Fake veteran called out by actual soldier may face federal charges

    What's not right is trying to compare NFL players with those who serve in the military.

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    Re: Fake veteran called out by actual soldier may face federal charges

    I think everyone is giving this way too much thought and energy. That fake is going to relive that moment forever in his life. He will never forget the embarrassment of it. So be it, move on.

    As far as honoring the military, there is a middle of the road here. I spent 28 years in the Army. I don't expect "glorification". I got paid and earned some benefits for eating crap sammiches for 28 years. It isn't a 9 to 5 job. Some weeks I worked 80 hours and some I sat around and didn't work at all. There were more 80 hour weeks than sitting around. My family was affected by my service as much as I was. It is a sacrifice to be away from their family in a combat zone where it is hotter than 125 degrees for 18 months. It was a sacrifice to share a 11 foot by 14 foot room with another person, or in a tent for all of that time, rather than being at home enjoying the things that they enjoy about being at home. They don't ask for glorification or even a thanks for the most part. They expect to get what their country promised for their service and that isn't happening for most people that have served and were injured or disabled. We all didn't get a new car or house or motorcycle. That is a very few of the lucky ones.

    I got hit with a bag of piss in the late 70s because I was wearing a uniform. If it happened because I was black there wold have been outrage and anger. I was white and wearing a uniform so I just had to shower, wash my clothes and deal with it. I just wish those cowards would have had the guts to stop and confront me rather than drive by and throw a bag of piss out the window. Oh well. It happened and I have a pretty thick skin. Far better men than me have endured much worse. I just wish they would have stopped so I could have put a real lesson in manners on their collective asses. My revenge is living a real good life here in the Colorado Mountains, drinking good whiskey and some of the best steak in the country. They are stuck with Susie Rottencrotch, five inbred kids, stuck in their miserable lives in Killeen, Texas and still voting for their welfare benefits.

    All that said, all soldiers want mainly is what they earned. They have to fight with the VA to get any kind of coverage. Many of them die fighting the system for years trying to get the VA to recognize or admit that they deserve coverage because they were exposed to chemical agents in Iraq. It has taken the VA years to admit to that fact. May have died in those years. Money saved. So it is kind of ironic when I see people hollering about workers at Walmart and not raising hell about what that soldier is not getting that he earned. It is ironic that people will fight for the right of some dumb ass to attack a police officer and their surprise when that dumb ass dies. Most call that "Suicide by cop." The mentally and morally challenged call it "racist" for that officer to defend himself. I guess that proves that you can't fix stupid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NonoBadDog View Post
    I think everyone is giving this way too much thought and energy. That fake is going to relive that moment forever in his life. He will never forget the embarrassment of it. So be it, move on.

    As far as honoring the military, there is a middle of the road here. I spent 28 years in the Army. I don't expect "glorification". I got paid and earned some benefits for eating crap sammiches for 28 years. It isn't a 9 to 5 job. Some weeks I worked 80 hours and some I sat around and didn't work at all. There were more 80 hour weeks than sitting around. My family was affected by my service as much as I was. It is a sacrifice to be away from their family in a combat zone where it is hotter than 125 degrees for 18 months. It was a sacrifice to share a 11 foot by 14 foot room with another person, or in a tent for all of that time, rather than being at home enjoying the things that they enjoy about being at home. They don't ask for glorification or even a thanks for the most part. They expect to get what their country promised for their service and that isn't happening for most people that have served and were injured or disabled. We all didn't get a new car or house or motorcycle. That is a very few of the lucky ones.

    I got hit with a bag of piss in the late 70s because I was wearing a uniform. If it happened because I was black there wold have been outrage and anger. I was white and wearing a uniform so I just had to shower, wash my clothes and deal with it. I just wish those cowards would have had the guts to stop and confront me rather than drive by and throw a bag of piss out the window. Oh well. It happened and I have a pretty thick skin. Far better men than me have endured much worse. I just wish they would have stopped so I could have put a real lesson in manners on their collective asses. My revenge is living a real good life here in the Colorado Mountains, drinking good whiskey and some of the best steak in the country. They are stuck with Susie Rottencrotch, five inbred kids, stuck in their miserable lives in Killeen, Texas and still voting for their welfare benefits.

    All that said, all soldiers want mainly is what they earned. They have to fight with the VA to get any kind of coverage. Many of them die fighting the system for years trying to get the VA to recognize or admit that they deserve coverage because they were exposed to chemical agents in Iraq. It has taken the VA years to admit to that fact. May have died in those years. Money saved. So it is kind of ironic when I see people hollering about workers at Walmart and not raising hell about what that soldier is not getting that he earned. It is ironic that people will fight for the right of some dumb ass to attack a police officer and their surprise when that dumb ass dies. Most call that "Suicide by cop." The mentally and morally challenged call it "racist" for that officer to defend himself. I guess that proves that you can't fix stupid.
    Great post.

    Am amazed how many guys try to fake being ex-military and mainly ex-SEALs. I do enjoy watching former Navy SEAL Don Shipley who is set up with access to the data of every Navy SEAL expose these fakes.
    Shipley is great in calling these guys up and watching all their acts just fall apart. Shipley is on YouTube if you ever want some entertainment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    What's not right is trying to compare NFL players with those who serve in the military.
    True. NFL players have shorter life expectancies.


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    Re: Fake veteran called out by actual soldier may face federal charges

    Quote Originally Posted by Northern Light View Post
    I get this, I really do (and thanks for what you wrote). I've just been to a lot of different countries in my life and the way people view the military around the world varies. It ranges from pride, to neutral, to hostile, to they just come across as a joke (like in Brazil). America's culture of military is highly glorified and prideful. I don't think it's as simple as the social contract they engage in, it also has to do with our culture of violence and awarding those who carry it out.



    I know that the entire military functions as one apparatus (or is supposed to), which is why every position is important. No debate there. What I'm talking about is self-sacrifice. Everyone in uniform gets praise because they did basic training and got a job. Some people just do the basic training, go to school in the military, fork over X number of work hours, and then quit and go to the private sector. No expenses.

    My issue is with pride in general. I think it blinds our nation to its true virtues and weaknesses, and the military is no exception.



    I'm not putting them down. Their work is their work, I've got no beef with it. My beef is with the culture of glorification and pride around the military. Same with NFL stars actually... why do we elevate these people to the status of worship?



    Totally agree! You're the first one to echo what I'm talking about. The worship is out of line. Some people really do deserve our standing ovation. I really respect people based on their individual stories, not for their organization as a whole. It's like saying we should respect everyone in government no matter who they are. Well no, nobody does that... we see what everyone's about and then decide.



    My rights have not been in jeopardy my entire life.

    Also, not really what I was talking about anyway. But no convo is complete without a little self-righteousness injected, am I right?
    Your rights haven't been in jeopardy, because the finest fighting force in history has maintained that level of security for you. You're welcome.
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    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Your rights haven't been in jeopardy, because the finest fighting force in history has maintained that level of security for you. You're welcome.
    This is the attitude he's talking about. People have gotten themselves into this state where anything short of falling on our knees in worship of OUR TROOPS is some heinous insult. And anything even related to the military becomes sacrosanct. When people criticize America's involvement in Afghanistan or Iraq, people like you start labeling them as hating OUR TROOPS.

    You really want to thank our military personnel? How about you convince those Republican representatives of yours to actually expend enough resources to support our growing list of veterans.

    "You're welcome." Get over yourself.
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    Re: Fake veteran called out by actual soldier may face federal charges

    Quote Originally Posted by Northern Light View Post
    I get this, I really do (and thanks for what you wrote). I've just been to a lot of different countries in my life and the way people view the military around the world varies. It ranges from pride, to neutral, to hostile, to they just come across as a joke (like in Brazil). America's culture of military is highly glorified and prideful. I don't think it's as simple as the social contract they engage in, it also has to do with our culture of violence and awarding those who carry it out.



    I know that the entire military functions as one apparatus (or is supposed to), which is why every position is important. No debate there. What I'm talking about is self-sacrifice. Everyone in uniform gets praise because they did basic training and got a job. Some people just do the basic training, go to school in the military, fork over X number of work hours, and then quit and go to the private sector. No expenses.

    My issue is with pride in general. I think it blinds our nation to its true virtues and weaknesses, and the military is no exception.



    I'm not putting them down. Their work is their work, I've got no beef with it. My beef is with the culture of glorification and pride around the military. Same with NFL stars actually... why do we elevate these people to the status of worship?
    I do not see a culture of glorification. It's basically just a case of recognition and thanks for serving their country. There are millions of vets still around from wars going all the way back to WW2. They sacrificed more in a few years then most citizens do in a lifetime. I do not see them elevated to the status of worship....just respect and gratitude.

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