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    Re: Critics Rip Rucker For Performing 'White Christmas' After Garner Decision

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Of course it answers the question. Ben Carson doesn't lead anyone, especially anyone in the black community. He's a very bad role model for them.
    Please link to the post where I or anyone said "Ben Carson is a bad role model."
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    Re: Critics Rip Rucker For Performing 'White Christmas' After Garner Decision

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    He should be.
    Maybe, but if nobody's following you're not leading.

    It would be something if more black kids followed his lead or (gasp!) Obama's. But...it seems nobody is following.
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    Re: Critics Rip Rucker For Performing 'White Christmas' After Garner Decision

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Maybe, but if nobody's following you're not leading.

    It would be something if more black kids followed his lead or (gasp!) Obama's. But...it seems nobody is following.
    I would absolutely support Obama being a leader for young blacks. He is a success story. He didn't come from wealth - he came from a broken home, an absent father, his mother was on public assistance for a time, he went to great colleges, etc. What's not to like about Obama's story? And it's far more inspirational and impactful than say that of a rapper, or even a pro sports figure (and I love sports so that's hard to say). But you're right that nobody is following.

    At the risk of being accused of partisanship or an "I HATE Obama!" attitude, I will say that I see this as a failing of Obama's. He has had 6+ years to push push push that message, and he hasn't. He's too much the politician for that. Maybe when he leaves office he'll do it but all he's done for 6 years is appeal to the blacks as a constituency of voters.
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    Re: Critics Rip Rucker For Performing 'White Christmas' After Garner Decision

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    He apparently doesn't lead anyone, based on the way some of you are responding with alarming pushback on the notion that the guy could be a leader of the black community. You're exactly right though, he shouldn't be any kind of leader in the black community. Why try to follow the example of a black born in inner-city Detroit to a mother who had only an 3rd grade education and a father who was a poor minister? Why think a black man whose mother, while working multiple low paying jobs pressured her children to study and get good grades and pull themselves out of poverty, and not join in the gangs and other problems in their neighborhood? Why look up to a guy who went to Yale and Michigan Medical School, and was Director of Pediatric Neurosurgery at Johns Hopkins when he was 33? Exactly, why should a man like this be taken seriously by the black community when they can look up to real inspirational heroes like Al Sharpton?
    What Ben Carson shows is that a lunatic can come from humble beginnings and become a very successful physician, all the while remaining a lunatic.

    What Al Sharpton shows is that a guy can still, in 2014, make a living and stay relevant as a race hustler.

    I am pretty sure that there are plenty of successful minorities for members of the black community to be inspired by without having to look up to race hustlers or fundamentalist lunatics that happen to also be successful physicians.
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    Re: Critics Rip Rucker For Performing 'White Christmas' After Garner Decision

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    What Ben Carson shows is that a lunatic can come from humble beginnings and become a very successful physician, all the while remaining a lunatic.

    What Al Sharpton shows is that a guy can still, in 2014, make a living and stay relevant as a race hustler.

    I am pretty sure that there are plenty of successful minorities for members of the black community to be inspired by without having to look up to race hustlers or fundamentalist lunatics that happen to also be successful physicians.
    I have no interest in Ben Carson's religious beliefs. This isn't a religious country so that shouldn't be relevant.
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    Re: Critics Rip Rucker For Performing 'White Christmas' After Garner Decision

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    I would absolutely support Obama being a leader for young blacks. He is a success story. He didn't come from wealth - he came from a broken home, an absent father, his mother was on public assistance for a time, he went to great colleges, etc. What's not to like about Obama's story? And it's far more inspirational and impactful than say that of a rapper, or even a pro sports figure (and I love sports so that's hard to say). But you're right that nobody is following.

    At the risk of being accused of partisanship or an "I HATE Obama!" attitude, I will say that I see this as a failing of Obama's. He has had 6+ years to push push push that message, and he hasn't. He's too much the politician for that. Maybe when he leaves office he'll do it but all he's done for 6 years is appeal to the blacks as a constituency of voters.
    The guy has been busy being president for the last six years. If he had spent that time pretending to be Morgan Freeman in "Lean On Me," he would have gotten crucified for it.
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    Re: Critics Rip Rucker For Performing 'White Christmas' After Garner Decision

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    I have no interest in Ben Carson's religious beliefs. This isn't a religious country so that shouldn't be relevant.
    You should be interested in his religious beliefs, as he has indicated time and time again that he wants to impose them on you. However, I am talking about his statements. Listen to the guy in a long interview. He is a total nut job. The guy makes Michelle Bachmann look reasonable. Which is my point. I can think of black Republicans that are not crazy, that minorities could look up to as a role model. For example, Condoleeza Rice came from humble beginnings to success, is quite intelligent, and not the least bit crazy.
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    Re: Critics Rip Rucker For Performing 'White Christmas' After Garner Decision

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    The guy has been busy being president for the last six years. If he had spent that time pretending to be Morgan Freeman in "Lean On Me," he would have gotten crucified for it.
    He found time in his busy Presidenting schedule to comment on Trayvon Martin and Michael Brown and Henry Louis Gates and not say the right things.
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    Re: Critics Rip Rucker For Performing 'White Christmas' After Garner Decision

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    I am talking about his statements. Listen to the guy in a long interview. He is a total nut job. The guy makes Michelle Bachmann look reasonable. Which is my point. I can think of black Republicans that are not crazy, that minorities could look up to as a role model. For example, Condoleeza Rice came from humble beginnings to success, is quite intelligent, and not the least bit crazy.
    Michelle Bachman and her religious beliefs have nothing to do with my post. This isn't a referendum on religion. I could say that a black minister is nuts because he believes in Jesus.

    I'm talking about rising from nothing and actually doing something with your life instead of complaining about being a victim. Ben Carson, like Barack Obama, is living proof that a black man who works hard can achieve greatness.
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    Re: Critics Rip Rucker For Performing 'White Christmas' After Garner Decision

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    He found time in his busy Presidenting schedule to comment on Trayvon Martin and Michael Brown and Henry Louis Gates and not say the right things.
    The only one of those things you could really say that he said something wrong with might have been Gates.
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