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    Re: Hundreds of Police Killings Are Uncounted in Federal Stats

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    The main problem in the present cases is the obvious loss of legitimacy the legal system has had. A society cannot be maintained without legitimacy. So we had better get to work on fixing it.
    I'd say both sides are to blame, except in the Brown case the grand jury found nothing to charge Wilson with; yet looting and rioting occured anyway, and even seemed to be excused by black leaders. When you're wrong, you're wrong. It's gotten so stupid the riots are predictable even before there's an investigation, trial or any other legal proceeding.
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    Re: Hundreds of Police Killings Are Uncounted in Federal Stats

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    I'd say both sides are to blame, except in the Brown case the grand jury found nothing to charge Wilson with; yet looting and rioting occured anyway, and even seemed to be excused by black leaders. When you're wrong, you're wrong. It's gotten so stupid the riots are predictable even before there's an investigation, trial or any other legal proceeding.
    Putting cameras on the cops is about as good as we can get to address all the issues in a just way, unless of course, one does not want people to see what the cops are doing wrong. It is no different than dashboard cams which are now common in police cars.

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    Re: Hundreds of Police Killings Are Uncounted in Federal Stats

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    It shouldn't be news that federal agencies keep shoddy statistics. The OP makes it sound like these shootings aren't documented at all, which is obviously false.
    How do you reach that conclusion? The OP is clearly suggesting the information is incomplete, not non-existent. Or, is hyperbole your only viable strategy?
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    Re: Hundreds of Police Killings Are Uncounted in Federal Stats

    Quote Originally Posted by Declan View Post
    Putting cameras on the cops is about as good as we can get to address all the issues in a just way, unless of course, one does not want people to see what the cops are doing wrong. It is no different than dashboard cams which are now common in police cars.
    I support using cams. Hasn't anyone looks for potential due process issue with that yet?
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    Re: Hundreds of Police Killings Are Uncounted in Federal Stats

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    I support using cams. Hasn't anyone looks for potential due process issue with that yet?
    There shouldn't be any due process issue with it but some stories have indicated that the video wasn't being released "yet over concerns for the officer's due process rights" that I have read. Apparently only the cops have rights these day

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    Re: Hundreds of Police Killings Are Uncounted in Federal Stats

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    I support using cams. Hasn't anyone looks for potential due process issue with that yet?
    Due process in what sense? I've heard potential issues for privacy. Both otherwise innocent people just being talked with then the video stored, and situations like an officer entering a home and violating the home owner's privacy without consent.
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    Re: Hundreds of Police Killings Are Uncounted in Federal Stats

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    I'd say both sides are to blame, except in the Brown case the grand jury found nothing to charge Wilson with; yet looting and rioting occured anyway, and even seemed to be excused by black leaders. When you're wrong, you're wrong. It's gotten so stupid the riots are predictable even before there's an investigation, trial or any other legal proceeding.
    Looters can be shot, where it makes sense and must be punished in any event. But this is not a question of allocating blame. We are squandering resources and that is stupid. It is in everybody's interest to fix this right.

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    Re: Hundreds of Police Killings Are Uncounted in Federal Stats

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Due process in what sense? I've heard potential issues for privacy. Both otherwise innocent people just being talked with then the video stored, and situations like an officer entering a home and violating the home owner's privacy without consent.
    How the videos are to be used. I support the ideas of cams in the sense that they tend to improve the behavoral interaction between the parties, but there may be unintended legal consequences that should be determined.
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    Re: Hundreds of Police Killings Are Uncounted in Federal Stats

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    How the videos are to be used. I support the ideas of cams in the sense that they tend to improve the behavoral interaction between the parties, but there may be unintended legal consequences that should be determined.
    Got'cha, and I agree. I support the use of cameras, the benefit of documenting behavioral interaction is too huge to ignore, but there will be some issues that will need to be ironed out. I'm a huge privacy advocate, but at the same time I subscribe to the idea that you knowingly forfeit some expectations of privacy as soon as you step out in public. The question is, where's that line? I haven't come up yet with what I think are answers for this, but I'm thinking about it.
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    Re: Hundreds of Police Killings Are Uncounted in Federal Stats

    No surprise to me that the government cooks the books....that is SOP in this day and age.

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