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    Re: Hundreds of Police Killings Are Uncounted in Federal Stats

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    When we see stats presented, we'd be wise to remember a couple of maxims:

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    Re: Hundreds of Police Killings Are Uncounted in Federal Stats

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    If they're going unreported, how do they know how many there are?
    You not read the article?
    "A Wall Street Journal analysis of the latest data from 105 of the country’s largest police agencies found more than 550 police killings during those years were missing from the national tally or, in a few dozen cases, not attributed to the agency involved. The result: It is nearly impossible to determine how many people are killed by the police each year.

    Three sources of information about deaths caused by police—the FBI numbers, figures from the Centers for Disease Control and data at the Bureau of Justice Statistics—differ from one another widely in any given year or state, according to a 2012 report by David Klinger, a criminologist with the University of Missouri-St. Louis and a onetime police officer.

    To analyze the accuracy of the FBI data, the Journal requested internal records on killings by officers from the nation’s 110 largest police departments. One-hundred-five of them provided figures.

    Those internal figures show 1,825 police killings in those 105 departments between 2007 and 2012, 47% more than the FBI’s tally for justifiable homicides in those departments’ jurisdictions, which was 1,242, according to the Journal’s analysis. Nearly all police killings are deemed by the departments or other authorities to be justifiable.

    The full national scope of the underreporting can’t be quantified. In the period analyzed by the Journal, 753 police entities reported about 2,400 killings by police. The large majority of the nation’s roughly 18,000 law-enforcement agencies didn’t report any."


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    Re: Hundreds of Police Killings Are Uncounted in Federal Stats

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    How do they know there really are hundreds? Something sounds contradictory.
    What do you mean "How do they know there really are hundreds?" Are you not reading the article?

    The WSJ found 550 police killings reported on the local level that were not included in the national tally. How is that confusing you?
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    Re: Hundreds of Police Killings Are Uncounted in Federal Stats

    Quote Originally Posted by brothern View Post
    What do you mean "How do they know there really are hundreds?" Are you not reading the article?

    The WSJ found 550 police killings reported on the local level that were not included in the national tally. How is that confusing you?
    Has anyone confirm the validity of the data?
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    Re: Hundreds of Police Killings Are Uncounted in Federal Stats

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    And why not do so with roaming bands of armed government goons. I'm sure that was the intent of the Founders. :roll
    His statement stands. A court of law can decide to kill someone too.
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    Re: Hundreds of Police Killings Are Uncounted in Federal Stats

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Your right. The number should be a lot higher since hundreds go unreported.
    They're all reported locally, and probably at the state level. This is a problem with the FBI and it's data gathering. Remember, the police aren't federal. Mountain meet molehill.

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    Re: Hundreds of Police Killings Are Uncounted in Federal Stats

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Has anyone confirm the validity of the data?
    This particular issue has been noted many times, by many different news sources.

    Hundreds of homicides committed by police reportedly not included in national crime statistics | Fox News
    Nobody Knows How Many Americans The Police Kill Each Year | FiveThirtyEight
    Another (Much Higher) Count Of Homicides By Police | FiveThirtyEight
    How many police shootings a year? No one knows - The Washington Post

    Even if we go with the lowest number, police in the US still kill far more people than in other nations:
    Why Do US Police Kill So Many People - Business Insider
    http://www.economist.com/blogs/democ...8/armed-police

    There is more than enough information for us to recognize that there is, in fact, a problem here.
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    Re: Hundreds of Police Killings Are Uncounted in Federal Stats

    Quote Originally Posted by stonewall50 View Post
    His statement stands. A court of law can decide to kill someone too.
    And yet that's not what his statement was implying, what is being said is that all those deaths by cops were OK because some people need killing. It was a dismissive statement aimed at the OP.

    Last I checked, cops weren't a court of law, yes?
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    Re: Hundreds of Police Killings Are Uncounted in Federal Stats

    Quote Originally Posted by Visbek View Post
    This particular issue has been noted many times, by many different news sources.

    Hundreds of homicides committed by police reportedly not included in national crime statistics | Fox News
    Nobody Knows How Many Americans The Police Kill Each Year | FiveThirtyEight
    Another (Much Higher) Count Of Homicides By Police | FiveThirtyEight
    How many police shootings a year? No one knows - The Washington Post

    Even if we go with the lowest number, police in the US still kill far more people than in other nations:
    Why Do US Police Kill So Many People - Business Insider

    There is more than enough information for us to recognize that there is, in fact, a problem here.
    Okay, so where is the OP trying to go with this?
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    Re: Hundreds of Police Killings Are Uncounted in Federal Stats

    Quote Originally Posted by brothern View Post
    From the OP itself:

    "It is one of hundreds of homicides by law-enforcement agencies between 2007 and 2012 that aren’t included in records kept by the Federal Bureau of Investigation. A Wall Street Journal analysis of the latest data from 105 of the country’s largest police agencies found more than 550 police killings during those years were missing from the national tally or, in a few dozen cases, not attributed to the agency involved. The result: It is nearly impossible to determine how many people are killed by the police each year."
    What makes any local statistic (criminal or not) into a federal matter? Does a police shooting in NYC have any affect on police policy in TX? If we see a higher rate of gang shootings in Chicago should police procedures in Dallas be changed? Making anything and everything into a federal matter is simply insane. Police shootings generally involve different officers and victims and, as such, each is an entirely separate case not dependent in any way on any other cases in other cities or states.
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