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    Re: Police Detain Michigan Man on Thanksgiving for ‘Walking with Hands in Pockets’ Po

    Quote Originally Posted by Visbek View Post
    Thanks for jumping to a whole series of conclusions.

    We don't know if the 911 call was accurate. Granted, after multiple robberies a store owner is entitled to be suspicious, but that doesn't prove that his description is accurate. (In fact, it might suggest the opposite.)

    We don't know if Brandon McKean was the person the shop owner reported. It seems unlikely, as he was at a friend's house when the 911 call was made, and had only been walking outside for a few minutes.

    Even if we accept those two aspects at face value, then no, looking in a shop window is NOT equivalent to walking around with an AK-47 on a strap. That's just insane.



    I see. It's perfectly acceptable for police to randomly stop people, provide a flimsy excuse for the stop, and no one should complain.

    I'm curious, how often do you get stopped? How many times would it take for you to get stopped, before you started complaining about it, and thinking that something was up?



    McKean didn't claim they were. He was expressing outrage over what he thought was an unacceptable reason to call the cops.



    McKean did not accuse the officer of disrespecting him.

    As he thought the reason for the stop was basically "walking while black," he definitely felt disrespected, and understandably so.



    ....except that black citizens get stopped over trivial ways repeatedly, and often with unjust results.

    One well-known example is NYC's "stop and frisk" policy. One aspect of the policy made a great deal of sense: They were putting police officers into high-crime areas. The rest, did not. They made over 5 million S&F's over 12 years, and in several years police conducted over 500,000 stops. Few stops were linked to any nearby criminal activity. Over 90% of those frisked were black and Latino. The police only found weapons in 0.2% of frisks. It produced few arrests. There's no good evidence it reduced crime. Alienated much of the community. The policy was so egregious that eventually it was ruled unconstitutional last year. (FYI, crime in NYC has dropped 4.35% in 2014, despite the termination of S&F last August.)

    And of course, there's other issues like blacks are more likely to be stopped, twice as likely to be searched when they are stopped than whites, more likely that whites to be killed while in police custody, less likely to have contraband on them when they are searched. Even given disparities in crime rates in minority populations, and given how overt expressions of racism have declined in recent decades, concerns about structural and unconscious bias are often warranted.

    Thus, if a black person gets stopped for what appears to be a trivial or frivolous reason, they're probably justified in jumping to the conclusion that there is some sort of racist impulse behind it -- even if the cop(s) involved are not personally racist.



    Yes, respect is mutual. And we saw these two individuals expressing respect to one another.

    However and again, I have no problems whatsoever with people filming encounters with police, and releasing it for public viewing. Neither should you. As Oakland County Sheriff Mike Bouchard said: "We have nothing to hide when we do our job."
    Its been my experience in hoods that the black people i knew acted "extra" within the law. Like "No way dude I wont touch that glass weed pipe of yours, cops would call me a crack addict"
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    Re: Police Detain Michigan Man on Thanksgiving for ‘Walking with Hands in Pockets’ Po

    Its pretty pathetic to see some people defend these pathetic actions of the police.


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    Re: Police Detain Michigan Man on Thanksgiving for ‘Walking with Hands in Pockets’ Po

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    No, I think he's saying the cop is full of **** and nobody called the police because a guy was walking by.
    That depends on how many phoning chairs are within view. You should check out the randomness of 911 calls -- people call for all sorts of reasons, man, from the normal and mundane to the truly bizarre and weird. People's asses even call 911 nowadays

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    Re: Police Detain Michigan Man on Thanksgiving for ‘Walking with Hands in Pockets’ Po

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Is there more to this? I mean...from what i gather, there was a call from dispatch to check out a complaint, the officer checked it out...and....the end? Cop did his job, politely, respectfully...and life goes on.

    If anything maybe there should be upset at whoever called the cops.

    Now...if there was in fact no call...then that is a completely different circumstance.
    I agree. The cop was put in a bad spot because he has to respond to this call. Its the paranoid idiot who called it in that should get the blame. From what I see, the cop treated the guy fair.

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    Re: Police Detain Michigan Man on Thanksgiving for ‘Walking with Hands in Pockets’ Po

    Quote Originally Posted by rcart76 View Post
    I agree. The cop was put in a bad spot because he has to respond to this call. Its the paranoid idiot who called it in that should get the blame. From what I see, the cop treated the guy fair.
    This is going to be a 'thing' for a while now. Any time someone gets stopped by a cop they are going to put on the fauxrage. Someone posted a video yesterday of an officer responding to a shoplifting call by store security and the guy acted like a complete and total asshole to the cop. Of course...the guy had a criminal history with the cop and pending charges...so it didnt matter that the cop was responding politely..."He's tryin to Mike Brown me! He's tryin to Mike Brown me! Hands up!!! Ive got my hands up!!!"

    Yeah...if I was a cop it would be tough to get excited about responding to a call with a black suspect any time in the near future.

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