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Ferguson Protesters Chain Mall Exits Shut

ecofarm said:
A localized riot is of no threat to the status quo and SP therein.



Black and white are not ethnic groups or nationalities. There are reasons Cuban (nationality), Hispanic (ethnic group) and Asian (geographic group) are capitalized. White and black tells us nothing of the aforementioned.
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A raging mob would have no need of such trivial matters as nationality or ethnicity. It's either "them" or "us."

If you happened to be in the direct path of such an event, I'm sure you wouldn't need much deliberation whether to join or defend.
 
clownboy said:
So, in your view systematic privilege is the reason most black folk are murdered and preyed upon by other black folks?
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Exactly. It has nothing to do with the number of people who reside in poorer communities riddled by gangs. Sure. It has to be the skin color. Though I never got my "white benefits"
Package. Was it supposed to come in the mail? I guess I will ask at the next meeting.
 
tres borrachos said:
Can you link to the page in the GJ testimony that was released where Wilson described Brown as the "stereotypical, brutish, violent, animalistic, black thug" please?
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Thanks for saving me the effort of asking the same question and waiting for an answer that never came.
 
bubbabgone said:
Thanks for saving me the effort of asking the same question and waiting for an answer that never came.
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I took the time to read Officer Wilson's testimony in a link that Excon provided to the entire GJ testimony. I would have remembered him uttering those words, or in fact, uttering anything close to them. Of course, he didn't.

I don't get why people are making things up that are completely untrue. It isn't just him, I've seen other posters do it too.
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
The protestors do not trust the Ferguson police department.
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That's true, and that's a very real problem that should be addressed. Though I have no faith whatsoever that it will, however.
 
tres borrachos said:
I took the time to read Officer Wilson's testimony in a link that Excon provided to the entire GJ testimony. I would have remembered him uttering those words, or in fact, uttering anything close to them. Of course, he didn't.

I don't get why people are making things up that are completely untrue. It isn't just him, I've seen other posters do it too.
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Yup. I read it the next day. Nothing in it approaches what he claimed.
I get the sense some people think if they can repeat it and no one calls them on it they're good to go.
There's too much of that and it's not just on this topic.
 
Ockham said:
Acts like in the link of the OP are not helping but actually hurting. They must be following the wrong set of blueprints --- the one's they are following are how to poison the public against their cause.
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Let's see.... rioting hurts their cause (of course); blocking traffic hurts their cause; disrupting shopping hurts their cause....

I suppose you would like them to just sit down and be quiet? That really shines a light on the cause, now doesn't it? Maybe they could each write a letter to the editor?

Sorry for the inconvenience, but it seems that effective protests involve people getting in the way.

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...and, if you don't pay attention to this level of "in the way", the level of "in the way" gets escalated. There is a real issue to be heard. If people do not chose to hear it at this level, be prepared for the "volume to be raised".


"But at the same time, it is as necessary for me to be as vigorous in condemning the conditions which cause persons to feel that they must engage in riotous activities as it is for me to condemn riots. I think America must see that riots do not develop out of thin air. Certain conditions continue to exist in our society which must be condemned as vigorously as we condemn riots. But in the final analysis, a riot is the language of the unheard." Martin Luther King, Jr.

'Riot is the language of the unheard' What MLK would have said about the London riots - Waging Nonviolence

Listen Up!
 
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It seems to me that the phrase, "unarmed black teenager shot by white cop" was heard loud and clear. What wasn't heard was "Thug attacks cop, gets shot."

Will it take a riot for that to be heard?
 
upsideguy said:
Let's see.... rioting hurts their cause (of course); blocking traffic hurts their cause; disrupting shopping hurts their cause....

I suppose you would like them to just sit down and be quiet? That really shines a light on the cause, now doesn't it? Maybe they could each write a letter to the editor?
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I'd like the actual protestors who want change to denounce and step away from those who commit violence, arson and hurt innocent people. They should not be quite but if MLK and Ghandi taught us anything is that non-violence works towards change whereas violence poisons the well. I'd also ask the protestors if they really want to use Brown as their martyr.

upsideguy said:
Sorry for the inconvenience, but it seems that effective protests involve people getting in the way.
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As with anything there is a right way to getting in the way and a wrong way. Ferguson's nights of looting, burning, violence and calls for "burning this bitch down" isn't the right way.
 
shrubnose said:
I doubt that a riot would promote that message.
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Probably not.

The only message that seems to be promoted by riots is, "Hey, we're going to take advantage of an opportunity to run wild and steal stuff!"
 
upsideguy said:
Let's see.... rioting hurts their cause (of course); blocking traffic hurts their cause; disrupting shopping hurts their cause....

I suppose you would like them to just sit down and be quiet? That really shines a light on the cause, now doesn't it? Maybe they could each write a letter to the editor?

Sorry for the inconvenience, but it seems that effective protests involve people getting in the way.

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...and, if you don't pay attention to this level of "in the way", the level of "in the way" gets escalated. There is a real issue to be heard. If people do not chose to hear it at this level, be prepared for the "volume to be raised".


"But at the same time, it is as necessary for me to be as vigorous in condemning the conditions which cause persons to feel that they must engage in riotous activities as it is for me to condemn riots. I think America must see that riots do not develop out of thin air. Certain conditions continue to exist in our society which must be condemned as vigorously as we condemn riots. But in the final analysis, a riot is the language of the unheard." Martin Luther King, Jr.

'Riot is the language of the unheard' What MLK would have said about the London riots - Waging Nonviolence

Listen Up!
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No Thanks, and MLK wasn't always right. Riot is the proof the unheard should never have been noticed in the first place. Once you riot your status changes immediately to criminal that everyone serious scoffs at.

Give it up, you aren't going to be successful here or anywhere talking up riots and making excuses for rioters.
 
Dittohead not! said:
Probably not.

The only message that seems to be promoted by riots is, "Hey, we're going to take advantage of an opportunity to run wild and steal stuff!
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That is so true, but unfortunately it seems like those who really need that message never get it.
 
upsideguy said:
Let's see.... rioting hurts their cause (of course); blocking traffic hurts their cause; disrupting shopping hurts their cause....

I suppose you would like them to just sit down and be quiet?
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 That really shines a light on the cause, now doesn't it? Maybe they could each write a letter to the editor?

Sorry for the inconvenience, but it seems that effective protests involve people getting in the way.

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...and, if you don't pay attention to this level of "in the way", the level of "in the way" gets escalated. There is a real issue to be heard. If people do not chose to hear it at this level, be prepared for the "volume to be raised".


"But at the same time, it is as necessary for me to be as vigorous in condemning the conditions which cause persons to feel that they must engage in riotous activities as it is for me to condemn riots. I think America must see that riots do not develop out of thin air. Certain conditions continue to exist in our society which must be condemned as vigorously as we condemn riots. But in the final analysis, a riot is the language of the unheard." Martin Luther King, Jr.

'Riot is the language of the unheard' What MLK would have said about the London riots - Waging Nonviolence

Listen Up!
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No one has to sit down and be quiet in the USA, but those who engage in riots and property destruction are likely to end up behind bars.

"Don't do the crime if you can't do the time."
 
shrubnose said:
No one has to sit down and be quiet in the USA, but those who engage in riots and property destruction are likely to end up behind bars.

"Don't do the crime if you can't do the time."
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Ockham said:
I'd like the actual protestors who want change to denounce and step away from those who commit violence, arson and hurt innocent people. They should not be quite but if MLK and Ghandi taught us anything is that non-violence works towards change whereas violence poisons the well. I'd also ask the protestors if they really want to use Brown as their martyr.

As with anything there is a right way to getting in the way and a wrong way. Ferguson's nights of looting, burning, violence and calls for "burning this bitch down" isn't the right way.
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I agree with the above. I was only pointing out that if people don't listen and work to effect change, the protests naturally escalate. In my previous link, MLK, who championed non-violence, understands (and warns us) why civil protests become uncivil and violent (riot).... its because no one listened up to that point. Hence the quote "riots are the language of the unheard".
 
upsideguy said:
Let's see.... rioting hurts their cause (of course); blocking traffic hurts their cause; disrupting shopping hurts their cause....

I suppose you would like them to just sit down and be quiet? That really shines a light on the cause, now doesn't it? Maybe they could each write a letter to the editor?

Sorry for the inconvenience, but it seems that effective protests involve people getting in the way.

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...and, if you don't pay attention to this level of "in the way", the level of "in the way" gets escalated. There is a real issue to be heard. If people do not chose to hear it at this level, be prepared for the "volume to be raised".


"But at the same time, it is as necessary for me to be as vigorous in condemning the conditions which cause persons to feel that they must engage in riotous activities as it is for me to condemn riots. I think America must see that riots do not develop out of thin air. Certain conditions continue to exist in our society which must be condemned as vigorously as we condemn riots. But in the final analysis, a riot is the language of the unheard." Martin Luther King, Jr.

'Riot is the language of the unheard' What MLK would have said about the London riots - Waging Nonviolence

Listen Up!
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I have been listening and the message is violent.
 
clownboy said:
No Thanks, and MLK wasn't always right. Riot is the proof the unheard should never have been noticed in the first place. Once you riot your status changes immediately to criminal that everyone serious scoffs at.

Give it up, you aren't going to be successful here or anywhere talking up riots and making excuses for rioters.
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You have much to learn about nuance. I never once made excuses for rioters, nor did Dr. King. I merely pointed out why riots exist (or I should say, I merely illuminated what Dr. King had to say on the matter).

As a matter of illustration, if a government does not deliver for its citizens and the situation can not be rectified civilly, eventually you will have revolution. That is a matter of political science: its not justifying the revolution, its explaining why they occur.
 
Water Cannons & German Shepherds

'Nuff said...
 
ecofarm said:
You're not upset because it does not present a threat to whites collectively.
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It doesn't present a threat to blacks either. At east not to blacks that aren't currently beating on a Police Officer.
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
Conflicting accounts paint a different picture.
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No, Brown thought he could use his size and weight to push people around, like the store clerk and Wilson. He got killed for his trouble. End of story.
 
ChezC3 said:
Water Cannons & German Shepherds

'Nuff said...
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Those are great ways to break up riots. Stupid pc crap now. We can't use them. Water cannons would be excellent.
 
stonewall50 said:
Those are great ways to break up riots. Stupid pc crap now. We can't use them. Water cannons would be excellent.
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So instead what they're gonna do is let them burn their entire neighborhood to the ground. Then the rioters will cry victim once again and some ass in Congress is gonna petition for and RECEIVE Federal tax dollars to rebuild what was destroyed. Which in turn will be ruined again within 5-10 years.

Splendid.
 
ChezC3 said:
So instead what they're gonna do is let them burn their entire neighborhood to the ground. Then the rioters will cry victim once again and some ass in Congress is gonna petition for and RECEIVE Federal tax dollars to rebuild what was destroyed. Which in turn will be ruined again within 5-10 years.

Splendid.
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Yep. But because of the use of water hoses and dogs in the 1960s...people will cry "abuse and racism" if the cops break those wonderful tools out. Pisses me off.
 
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