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    What Amnesty Has Already Done to America

    Here is a picture of where amnesty will take us yet again; only this time on a much MUCH larger scale_

    Imagine a Comprehensive Immigration Reform that leads to amnesty for a minimum of 20 million illegals_

    America will not survive the "fundamental change" Barack Obama has promised and is now setting in motion_

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    "November 6th marked a dubious anniversary in the history of America. On that day 28 years ago President Ronald Reagan signed into law the Immigration Reform and Control Act, IRCA. Also known as the Simpson-Mazzoli Act, it was an amnesty for illegal aliens, the effects of which we live with today.

    IRCA was the most comprehensive reform of our immigration laws since 1952. In 1981 the Reagan Administration asked Congress to pass a comprehensive legislative package that included employer sanctions, other measures to increase enforcement of immigration laws and the legalization of illegal aliens. The Employer Sanctions program was supposed to be the key element that would remove the incentive for illegal immigration by eliminating the job opportunities which was, and is, the number one reason that illegal aliens come to our country.

    Whatever its intention, it is undeniable that the IRCA Amnesty of millions of illegal aliens failed to solve the problem of illegal immigration."
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    dejavu all over again only this time instead of just bad, it's going to be catastrophic; a nation killer!
    When a crime is ignored ~ it becomes flagrant;
    When a crime is rewarded ~ it becomes epidemic:

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    Re: What Amnesty Has Already Done to America

    Quote Originally Posted by Empirica View Post
    Here is a picture of where amnesty will take us yet again; only this time on a much MUCH larger scale_

    Imagine a Comprehensive Immigration Reform that leads to amnesty for a minimum of 20 million illegals_

    America will not survive the "fundamental change" Barack Obama has promised and is now setting in motion_

    Rick Oltman 11/19/2014 News
    "November 6th marked a dubious anniversary in the history of America. On that day 28 years ago President Ronald Reagan signed into law the Immigration Reform and Control Act, IRCA. Also known as the Simpson-Mazzoli Act, it was an amnesty for illegal aliens, the effects of which we live with today.

    IRCA was the most comprehensive reform of our immigration laws since 1952. In 1981 the Reagan Administration asked Congress to pass a comprehensive legislative package that included employer sanctions, other measures to increase enforcement of immigration laws and the legalization of illegal aliens. The Employer Sanctions program was supposed to be the key element that would remove the incentive for illegal immigration by eliminating the job opportunities which was, and is, the number one reason that illegal aliens come to our country.

    Whatever its intention, it is undeniable that the IRCA Amnesty of millions of illegal aliens failed to solve the problem of illegal immigration."
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    dejavu all over again only this time instead of just bad, it's going to be catastrophic; a nation killer!
    Yeah, the sky is indeed falling, isn't it?

    Funny thing is, the 'amnesty' you're decrying has stricter requirements than Reagan's. That, and no president has deported as many illegal aliens as has Obama.

    But I get it - he's worse than Hitler and Stalin and Mao and Vlad Tepes all combined, and he's out to destroy America because...Obama!
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    Re: What Amnesty Has Already Done to America

    Practically speaking, "deportation" translates to "catch and release," meaning that those who are deported return.

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    Re: What Amnesty Has Already Done to America

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    Practically speaking, "deportation" translates to "catch and release," meaning that those who are deported return.
    So we shouldn't deport them? And FYI, the idea of building and manning the wall is less practical than most might believe - all that is necessary is a ladder, or a tunnel. Or boats to get around the wall via either coast.

    If you really, truly want to cut down on illegal immigration, the ONLY, repeat, the ONLY way to do so is to do whatever it takes to build up the economies of those nations who send us the most people. Do what's necessary to make Mexico almost as nice as America, and you'll see illegal immigration plummet.

    But as long as that's not done, as long as America's economy is so much better, as long as there's so much more opportunity here, the illegals will find a way here, no matter what's done to stop them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    So we shouldn't deport them? And FYI, the idea of building and manning the wall is less practical than most might believe - all that is necessary is a ladder, or a tunnel. Or boats to get around the wall via either coast.

    If you really, truly want to cut down on illegal immigration, the ONLY, repeat, the ONLY way to do so is to do whatever it takes to build up the economies of those nations who send us the most people. Do what's necessary to make Mexico almost as nice as America, and you'll see illegal immigration plummet.

    But as long as that's not done, as long as America's economy is so much better, as long as there's so much more opportunity here, the illegals will find a way here, no matter what's done to stop them.
    And what should we do, invade Mexico, kill their corrupt leaders, and install a new group?


    Or just hand them money, which WILL go to those corrupt leaders?
    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Reports indicate that everyone knew he was hauling a bunch of guns up there. But, since you brought it up, there's something which should be illegal: guns that breakdown.

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    Re: What Amnesty Has Already Done to America

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    And what should we do, invade Mexico, kill their corrupt leaders, and install a new group?


    Or just hand them money, which WILL go to those corrupt leaders?
    You're only thinking of quick fixes - which was Reagan's way, to conduct coups to put the "right people" in charge...which usually turned out just the opposite from what was intended.

    What you do is to do more to encourage trade (by developing more major industries there), and do what's necessary to crush the power of the drug lords (and the best way would be by legalizing marijuana here), and to help improve their education system.

    Yes, this would take many billions of dollars...but we have a choice: we can either spend billions improving their economy so they would want to stay home, or we can spend billions trying (in futility) to try to keep them out.
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    Re: What Amnesty Has Already Done to America

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    And what should we do, invade Mexico, kill their corrupt leaders, and install a new group?


    Or just hand them money, which WILL go to those corrupt leaders?
    We should annex Mexico, Americanize the whole place and add another 10, or 12 states to the union.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    You're only thinking of quick fixes - which was Reagan's way, to conduct coups to put the "right people" in charge...which usually turned out just the opposite from what was intended.

    What you do is to do more to encourage trade (by developing more major industries there), and do what's necessary to crush the power of the drug lords (and the best way would be by legalizing marijuana here), and to help improve their education system.

    Yes, this would take many billions of dollars...but we have a choice: we can either spend billions improving their economy so they would want to stay home, or we can spend billions trying (in futility) to try to keep them out.
    Drugs IS their politics. How do you think they get military trained personel for drug enforcers?

    Legalizing pot won't change that.

    Mexico's problem is that, no matter what we would do to help them help themselves, the people are more or less powerless to affect real change, because their government is among the most corrupt in the world.
    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Reports indicate that everyone knew he was hauling a bunch of guns up there. But, since you brought it up, there's something which should be illegal: guns that breakdown.

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    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    We should annex Mexico, Americanize the whole place and add another 10, or 12 states to the union.
    With our current economic situation, that would break us. Think of all the things we require of our states...that would then have to get extended to these new states.
    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Reports indicate that everyone knew he was hauling a bunch of guns up there. But, since you brought it up, there's something which should be illegal: guns that breakdown.

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    Re: What Amnesty Has Already Done to America

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    Drugs IS their politics. How do you think they get military trained personel for drug enforcers?

    Legalizing pot won't change that.

    Mexico's problem is that, no matter what we would do to help them help themselves, the people are more or less powerless to affect real change, because their government is among the most corrupt in the world.
    Guy, drugs isn't what enables the drug lords - it's the MONEY they get from selling those drugs here in America. Take away their source of income, and you take away the biggest single source of their power.

    And FYI, corruption in a government doesn't necessarily stop a nation from prospering. Just ask China.
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