'What kind of sick and twisted toy factory is this?'
'We are all the sum of our tears. Too little and the ground is not fertile, and nothing can grow there. Too much, the best of us is washed away.'
"Better to be dead and cool, than alive and uncool."
Why Americans Won't Do Dirty Jobs - Businessweek
North Carolina needed 6,500 farm workers. Only 7 Americans stuck it out. - The Washington Post
Jobs Americans won't do: A myth, but a close approximation to the truth.
And let's get back on point here. How much damage is actually done to the US economy by undocumented immigration? And if we provide a legal route to residency, does that problem get worse?
An estimated 8 million undocumented immigrants work in the US. Most of the jobs the undocumented immigrants take are low-paying, low-skill jobs. They send some out of the US as remittances, and the rest circulates in the US.
If we claim that "all those jobs would be filled even if the labor costs are higher," well, we should keep in mind that's a winner of an argument for raising the minimum wage, yes? If the demand for jobs is completely unaffected by wages, then by all means we should raise wages.
Contrary to popular belief, those immigrants can't actually receive government services. Their children, if born in the US, are legitimate citizens and can receive certain benefits and an education. So, that's a wash.
We should also note there are numerous other threats to American workers, many of which we do not try to thwart with legislation, and do far more harm to workers than undocumented immigrants, such as:
• Outsourcing manufacturing
• Free trade agreements
• Increasing productivity (which means we need fewer people to produce the same output)
• Eviscerating unions
Does providing undocumented immigrants a route to legal residency increase these supposed problems? Nope. They're here, and hoping you can drive all of them away with a quick legislative fix is a fantasy. If we legitimize their presence, then we can zing them for taxes and make them work at higher wages, which of course provides an incentive to hire 'Muricans as well as undocumented immigrants. (Assuming 'Muricans want those jobs... which it seems they don't.)
Last but not least, ranting and raving is not the equivalent to actual statistical data, or even estimates, of the alleged harm. So, how bad is it really? And if it's really that awful, then why haven't we been in a state of permanent recession since 1988....?
If there were no illegal immigrants, then the pay would have to be raised until enough people were willing to work for the wages offered. Illegal immigrants suppress pay and cost American citizens jobs.
And no, that is not a "winner" of an argument for raising the minimum wage. Wages should be based on ability of the employee, worth of the employee to the business, and supply and demand of labor.
In case you missed it: Millions of Americans do clean toilets and do other crappy jobs for $7.25 an hour. Go figure.Most Americans won't clean hotel toilets for $8/hour. For one thing, they can make almost as much on government welfare. Why should they work when they can stay at home and watch Jerry Springer.
Read the 2nd link. A lot of those jobs will go unfilled.If there were no illegal immigrants, then the pay would have to be raised until enough people were willing to work for the wages offered. Illegal immigrants suppress pay and cost American citizens jobs.
Mmm. If that's the case, then why are you against immigrant workers at all? If wages are based on skill set, productivity, supply and demand, then why is there any problem at all with someone willing to work for lower wages? You should be saluting the immigrants' work ethic.And no, that is not a "winner" of an argument for raising the minimum wage. Wages should be based on ability of the employee, worth of the employee to the business, and supply and demand of labor.
I.e. you're failing to understand the consequences of your own claims. You say that immigrants are underpricing the market, while your ideology says that can't happen. You suggest that wages can go up, without any change whatsoever in the demand for those jobs, even though that overtly defies the economic theories you espouse. How is this supposed to work, exactly...?
And again: Can you quantify the alleged harm done to the US by undocumented immigrants, or not?
"He who does not think himself worth saving from poverty and ignorance by his own efforts, will hardly be thought worth the efforts of anybody else." -- Frederick Douglass, Self-Made Men (1872)