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    Re: What Amnesty Has Already Done to America

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    Which goes back to my whole point - build up the Mexican economy to where theirs isn't so much worse than our own, and voila! a heck of a lot less illegal immigration. Thank you for supporting my point!
    Yeah, at 18,000,000,000,000 in debt as a nation, let's do that.
    No, I'm not supporting your drivel.
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    Re: What Amnesty Has Already Done to America

    As President Bush-41 said, "voodoo economics" .
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    Re: What Amnesty Has Already Done to America

    What has amnesty done to America? Look at Southern California. Los Angeles is more or less a Mexican city today. That was not the case in the 60's when it was an American city.

    Miami today is a latin, Spanish-Speaking city.

    A lot of the Western United States is bilingual. States like Texas, Arizona, Colorado.

    Is that a bad thing? Not necessarily. I do think, though, that we have lost something. Whereas Los Angeles used to be a vibrant city full of possibility and magic, today it's a dump.

    In the 1960's, if you told people you were from Los Angeles, they'd look at you with envy. Today, they'd look at you with pity.

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    Re: What Amnesty Has Already Done to America

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    As President Bush-41 said, "voodoo economics" .
    I have no idea what your referencing, do you?

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    Re: What Amnesty Has Already Done to America

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    Which goes back to my whole point - build up the Mexican economy to where theirs isn't so much worse than our own, and voila! a heck of a lot less illegal immigration. Thank you for supporting my point!
    And when you are finished bankrupting the U.S. by sending money to Mexico, you can start on Guatemala, El Salvador, Nicaragua, etc., etc.

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    Re: What Amnesty Has Already Done to America

    Quote Originally Posted by Visbek View Post

    In fact, I think you'd be hard pressed to actually present a cogent argument about how undocumented immigrants are, in any way, a threat to the US_
    I suggest you go to a construction site or walk through a hotel and see how many jobs are being taken away from American workers because the illegal workers will work for pennies.

    The only way to stop illegal immigration is to enforce the laws on the books against companies that hire illegals. If they can't get jobs, they'll leave, just like they have during the recession.

    It was disgusting to see Jeh Johnson admit that companies in Washington DC were hiring illegals, yet he did not offer to enforce the laws on the books prohibiting it.

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    Re: What Amnesty Has Already Done to America

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    Which goes back to my whole point - build up the Mexican economy to where theirs isn't so much worse than our own, and voila! a heck of a lot less illegal immigration. Thank you for supporting my point!
    I'd say a huge number of American companies have moved to Mexico, so we have built up their economy, not that it does any good.

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    Re: What Amnesty Has Already Done to America

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
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    Guy, are you so naive that you think that people won't pick up and leave for greener fields? Such has been the way of humanity as long as there's been humans. Do you really think that it would be any different today?

    Picture this: you've got a wife and kids...and you're stuck in poverty in a third-world nation, where if you even accidentally tick off the local strongman, you and your family might just disappear (because you've seen it happen so often to others), and you know down deep in your gut that if you can get your family over that border to America, your family will be safe, your children will have more opportunities for higher education and prosperity in a place that is MUCH safer then where you're at.

    That's the kind of choice that so many parents face across the border...and their duty to do what's best for their children is a heck of a lot more important to them than to obey the law that would keep them from seeking better opportunities in a better land.

    And of course I would not want our economy torn down to the level of Mexico's...which is why I said we need to BUILD Mexico's economy, not tear down our own.
    yet that is exactly what amnesty will do. it tears down our economy and lowers our standard of living. importing millions of low skill no skill workers doesn't improve the economy it continues to depress the economy and lower wages even further.

    also what you will see before they pass amnesty is an even greater influx of people that have crossed our border illegally and need to be deported.
    just like the few hundred thousand which just cross which need to be deported, but instead have been released into American society.

    Obama Administration Inflating Deportation Numbers | National Review Online

    no the president isn't deporting more people than the previous administration.


    I'd vote for spending it on keeping them out, rather than enriching their corrupt government leaders.

    There are some things that have to be earned, that have to be built by your own hand or hands to be properly appreciated and properly valued, as well as acquiring the needed skills and organizational and governmental structures to mange it effectively, and to strike the correct balance between the business and the social needs. A rich and well running economy with a profitable business sector and the properly balanced governmental oversight is one of them.
    I agree however the problem still exists that the government is corrupt and won't allow for what you suggest to happen. why? because then they lose control of the people. the drug cartels and the Mexican government isn't going to allow that to happen.

    It's an evolution of the whole, which can't be obtained with some other country waving their magic wand and *poof* you have it, and can deal with it, at least not for the longer haul.
    which is why giving them amnesty is not an option. it doesn't fix the issue it only encourages more of the same.

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    Re: What Amnesty Has Already Done to America

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    I suggest you go to a construction site or walk through a hotel and see how many jobs are being taken away from American workers because the illegal workers will work for pennies.
    1) That doesn't give me any real information -- just your impression that "THEY TOOK OUR JERBS!!"

    2) The evidence indicates that undocumented immigrants do not, in fact, take away jobs or drive down wages. Left and Right Agree: Immigrants Don't Take American Jobs - NationalJournal.com

    3) Even if we ignore that evidence, small amounts of job losses did not, and are not going to bring about the total destruction of our nation.

    4) Even if we ignore the evidence AND the lack of actual damage to jobs, giving these individuals a legitimate path to residency is only going to improve things. E.g. they will be subject to minimum wage laws; they will have to pay taxes, and so forth.


    The only way to stop illegal immigration is to enforce the laws on the books against companies that hire illegals.
    lol

    Yes, because no one can possibly be smart enough to thwart that system, e.g. by paying under the table.

    By the way, in order for that to be possible, we need to accept that:
    Regulations can be beneficial
    Regulations can be effective
    Local / State / Federal governments can perform these functions effectively
    Either there won't be any mission creep, or any subsequent mission expansions will be acceptable or manageable
    We're going to need some sort of official database of actual citizens

    As there is nothing special about the regulations or laws relating to hiring undocumented immigrants, I see no reason why one type of regulation can be beneficial and effective, and others cannot. Do you agree?

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    Re: What Amnesty Has Already Done to America

    Quote Originally Posted by Visbek View Post
    1) That doesn't give me any real information -- just your impression that "THEY TOOK OUR JERBS!!"

    2) The evidence indicates that undocumented immigrants do not, in fact, take away jobs or drive down wages. Left and Right Agree: Immigrants Don't Take American Jobs - NationalJournal.com

    3) Even if we ignore that evidence, small amounts of job losses did not, and are not going to bring about the total destruction of our nation.

    4) Even if we ignore the evidence AND the lack of actual damage to jobs, giving these individuals a legitimate path to residency is only going to improve things. E.g. they will be subject to minimum wage laws; they will have to pay taxes, and so forth.
    Really ??? And who would be doing these jobs if they weren't being done by illegal immigrants ?? I'll give you a hint, American citizens, legal ones.

    lol

    Yes, because no one can possibly be smart enough to thwart that system, e.g. by paying under the table.

    By the way, in order for that to be possible, we need to accept that:
    Regulations can be beneficial
    Regulations can be effective
    Local / State / Federal governments can perform these functions effectively
    Either there won't be any mission creep, or any subsequent mission expansions will be acceptable or manageable
    We're going to need some sort of official database of actual citizens

    As there is nothing special about the regulations or laws relating to hiring undocumented immigrants, I see no reason why one type of regulation can be beneficial and effective, and others cannot. Do you agree?
    Gotcha. Since it would be hard to enforce, which I don't agree with, we should ignore all laws?? Great, why don't you hire a couple dozen 10 year old kids. You could probably pay them with a candy bar at the end of the week.

    sheesh.

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