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    Re: What Amnesty Has Already Done to America

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    "How is that US' problem"? Really? Guy, such has ALWAYS been a problem for prosperous nations when there's a poor nation next door! And it's not just that we share a border - you should read about the illegal immigration problems that Europe has, coming from Africa and the Middle East.



    Yeah, the illegals are just flooding in, ain't they? BTW, you do know that there are fewer illegals in America now than when Obama took office, right? And you do know that under Bush 43, the number of illegals in America increased by over 50%, right?
    The Obama administration changed the way that they are counting them, so there's no telling what's accurate anymore. This may be by design, but who's to say. Didn't know that this accounting system needed revision.

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    Hmmm...lemme see here...under Obama the number of illegals fell, but under Bush the number of illegals rose by over 50%...but it's Obama that's opening the floodgates of illegals. Riiiiiiiiight.



    Of course we can't do it for them...but we sure as heck can make it easier for them to do so. And it is very much in our national best interest to do so.
    So welfare for nations is going work better than welfare for people?

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    And yes, that means spending more of your precious tax dollars...but you're going to pay ANYWAY. You will either pay to help them build their economy and make their lives better so they'll stay there...OR you will pay for what happens when millions of them come to America illegally because their lives on the other side of the border are so hard. But you will pay anyway, whether you like it or not.
    I don't see where snipers stationed every 2 miles along the border with shoot to kill order would use up as much tax payer money, and I would imagine that it'd be effective.
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    Re: What Amnesty Has Already Done to America

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    "How is that US' problem"? Really? Guy, such has ALWAYS been a problem for prosperous nations when there's a poor nation next door! And it's not just that we share a border - you should read about the illegal immigration problems that Europe has, coming from Africa and the Middle East.



    Yeah, the illegals are just flooding in, ain't they? BTW, you do know that there are fewer illegals in America now than when Obama took office, right? And you do know that under Bush 43, the number of illegals in America increased by over 50%, right?

    Hmmm...lemme see here...under Obama the number of illegals fell, but under Bush the number of illegals rose by over 50%...but it's Obama that's opening the floodgates of illegals. Riiiiiiiiight.



    Of course we can't do it for them...but we sure as heck can make it easier for them to do so. And it is very much in our national best interest to do so.

    And yes, that means spending more of your precious tax dollars...but you're going to pay ANYWAY. You will either pay to help them build their economy and make their lives better so they'll stay there...OR you will pay for what happens when millions of them come to America illegally because their lives on the other side of the border are so hard. But you will pay anyway, whether you like it or not.
    Funny how a recession thins the herd when no jobs were available.

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    Re: What Amnesty Has Already Done to America

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    So we shouldn't deport them? And FYI, the idea of building and manning the wall is less practical than most might believe - all that is necessary is a ladder, or a tunnel. Or boats to get around the wall via either coast.
    The OP's plan in this link negates the necessity for an extravagant border security_
    http://www.debatepolitics.com/us-par...n-problem.html

    If you really, truly want to cut down on illegal immigration, the ONLY, repeat, the ONLY way to do so is to do whatever it takes to build up the economies of those nations who send us the most people. Do what's necessary to make Mexico almost as nice as America, and you'll see illegal immigration plummet.
    The only way the U.S. could help build up Mexico's economy that I can think of is to send them American jobs and taxpayer dollars_

    First; I don't think the U.S. at present can spare the jobs and second; Mexico's government is too corrupt to invest even more of our tax dollars_

    Mexico has an abundance of resources and wealth potential but manage to maintain a 3rd world status because of crooked politicians_

    But as long as that's not done, as long as America's economy is so much better, as long as there's so much more opportunity here, the illegals will find a way here, no matter what's done to stop them.
    The OP Plan would make all U.S.resources inaccessible to illegal aliens which would eliminate every single reason they come in the first place_

    Read the OP! in this link-
    http://www.debatepolitics.com/us-par...n-problem.html
    Last edited by Empirica; 12-02-14 at 06:39 PM.
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    Re: What Amnesty Has Already Done to America

    Quote Originally Posted by Empirica View Post
    The OP's plan in this link negates the necessity for an extravagant border security_
    http://www.debatepolitics.com/us-par...n-problem.html

    The only way the U.S. could help build up Mexico's economy that I can think of is to send them American jobs and taxpayer dollars_

    First; I don't think the U.S. at present can spare the jobs and second; Mexico's government is too corrupt to invest even more of our tax dollars_

    Mexico has an abundance of resources and wealth potential but manage to maintain a 3rd world status because of crooked politicians_

    The OP Plan would make all U.S.resources inaccessible to illegal aliens which would eliminate every single reason they come in the first place_

    Read the OP! in this link-
    http://www.debatepolitics.com/us-par...n-problem.html
    The article referenced by the OP is laughable on its face - it's claiming that 33 million - just over 10% - of EVERYONE in America today is an illegal alien.

    Really, you need to read your references with a critical eye before using them as 'proof' of your claims.

    That, and it's only under the OBAMA administration that we've had any decrease in the number of illegals in America. But I get it - Thou Shalt Not EVER give Obama credit for doing anything right....
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    Re: What Amnesty Has Already Done to America

    Quote Originally Posted by Meister View Post
    Funny how a recession thins the herd when no jobs were available.
    Which goes back to my whole point - build up the Mexican economy to where theirs isn't so much worse than our own, and voila! a heck of a lot less illegal immigration. Thank you for supporting my point!
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    Re: What Amnesty Has Already Done to America

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    The Obama administration changed the way that they are counting them, so there's no telling what's accurate anymore. This may be by design, but who's to say. Didn't know that this accounting system needed revision.
    Mm-hmm...I get it - if the numbers don't say what you want to hear, just claim that they've been changed or otherwise falsified.

    So welfare for nations is going work better than welfare for people?
    Which do you want to pay for - building up the Mexican economy to where they don't want so badly to come to America...or to pay for what happens when we have millions more illegals coming across the border? Either way, you DO pay. You'll pay to make things better for them...or you'll pay for what happens when they're here making things worse for us.

    But you DO pay, either way.

    I don't see where snipers stationed every 2 miles along the border with shoot to kill order would use up as much tax payer money, and I would imagine that it'd be effective.
    YEAH! Let the snipers shoot the girls, the young mothers, the children! Leave the babies in the desert to rot!

    Maybe that kind of logic works just fine in right-wing circles (not to mention over on stormfront.org), but in the real world, most Americans would NEVER stand for such idiocy.
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    Re: What Amnesty Has Already Done to America

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    We should annex Mexico, Americanize the whole place and add another 10, or 12 states to the union.
    "Let's make the largest expansion of entitlement programs in American history."

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    Re: What Amnesty Has Already Done to America

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    Mm-hmm...I get it - if the numbers don't say what you want to hear, just claim that they've been changed or otherwise falsified.
    I didn't say anything about falsifying numbers, I'm saying the measurement changed, and since they APPEAR to be better for the administration, they are crowing about it. Truth is, by changing the measurement means you can't compare the numbers on the old measurement system, and that'd exactly what Obama and his admin have been doing, a direct comparison under two different measuring systems. Surely you'll admit that this is inconsistent.

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    Which do you want to pay for - building up the Mexican economy to where they don't want so badly to come to America...or to pay for what happens when we have millions more illegals coming across the border? Either way, you DO pay. You'll pay to make things better for them...or you'll pay for what happens when they're here making things worse for us.

    But you DO pay, either way.
    As if we need yet more people riding on the backs of the tax payers, this time an entire nation! My God Man! Are you insane even suggesting that the US should do this? What a terrible precedent to set. We'll NEVER get the Mexicans off of our backs if we do.

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    YEAH! Let the snipers shoot the girls, the young mothers, the children! Leave the babies in the desert to rot!

    Maybe that kind of logic works just fine in right-wing circles (not to mention over on stormfront.org), but in the real world, most Americans would NEVER stand for such idiocy.
    Just as most Americans are not standing for the open border idiocy, or the Obamnesty idiocy, or a lot of other of the left-wing agenda politics.

    A sovereign nation has a right to secure it's borders. Give up that right, you are no longer a sovereign nation. I know the concept is foreign to you, but it's the principals of the matter.
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    Re: What Amnesty Has Already Done to America

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    "Let's make the largest expansion of entitlement programs in American history."

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    Re: What Amnesty Has Already Done to America

    Quote Originally Posted by Empirica View Post
    Imagine a Comprehensive Immigration Reform that leads to amnesty for a minimum of 20 million illegals_
    I can imagine exactly such a thing_

    I imagine that the US will do very well, if it increases the amount of legal immigration, focusing on people under 35, and gives the undocumented immigrants who are already here a path to citizenship_

    It cannot come soon enough for me_


    America will not survive the "fundamental change" Barack Obama has promised and is now setting in motion_
    You obviously have a limited idea of what Obama's executive order has actually accomplished_

    He cannot change the law, he cannot hand out Green Cards, all he can do is defer deportations temporarily_

    We should also note the US has actually done reasonably well since Reagan's amnesty -- or at the very least, its biggest challenges have had really nothing whatsoever to do with the presence of undocumented immigrants in the US:
    - Crime rates have fallen quite consistently since the early 1990s
    - the financial crisis of 2007 had nothing to do with undocumented immigrants
    - the Dot-Com bubble had nothing to do with undocumented immigrants
    - international terrorism? Also, nothing to do with undocumented immigrants
    - income inequality? Yet another "nothing to do with undocumented immigrants"

    In fact, I think you'd be hard pressed to actually present a cogent argument about how undocumented immigrants are, in any way, a threat to the US_

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