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    Re: What Amnesty Has Already Done to America

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    Guy, drugs isn't what enables the drug lords - it's the MONEY they get from selling those drugs here in America. Take away their source of income, and you take away the biggest single source of their power.

    And FYI, corruption in a government doesn't necessarily stop a nation from prospering. Just ask China.
    China. Good measuring stick.


    Gonna legalize cocaine and meth, too? They're what we like to call....diversified.


    Tell you what. We can start working on other countries problems....heck, even pointing our FINGERS at those problems, the moment we're perfect. In the mean time, what does it look like from anyone's perspective but our own? Meddling. We've done enough of that.
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    Reports indicate that everyone knew he was hauling a bunch of guns up there. But, since you brought it up, there's something which should be illegal: guns that breakdown.

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    Re: What Amnesty Has Already Done to America

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    China. Good measuring stick.


    Gonna legalize cocaine and meth, too? They're what we like to call....diversified.


    Tell you what. We can start working on other countries problems....heck, even pointing our FINGERS at those problems, the moment we're perfect. In the mean time, what does it look like from anyone's perspective but our own? Meddling. We've done enough of that.
    If you'll recall, a great deal of the money they make is from shipping marijuana to America. It's about time we made our own...and legalization does seem to decrease the use of hard drugs:

    This first-ever clinical examination of a large number of medical marijuana applicants depicts a population that is remarkably normal. The percentages earning bachelors' degrees and doctorates are nearly identical to the national numbers. They are, in the main, productive citizens with jobs, homes and families who smoke marijuana weekly or daily – and have in some cases for decades.

    For the vast majority of these applicants, their use of cannabis ultimately led to a decrease in the use of tobacco, alcohol, and hard drugs. Asked to compare their current alcohol consumption with their lifetime peak, over 10% claimed to be abstinent and nearly 90% claimed to have cut their drinking in half.


    The same effect was seen in the Netherlands, too.

    And China does serve as a shining example of a very corrupt government that does get things done (for good or ill).

    Again, if you want to decrease illegal immigration, then you've gotta solve Mexico's problems FIRST...because as long as Mexico's all screwed up, the people WILL find a way to come here.
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    Re: What Amnesty Has Already Done to America

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    Yeah, the sky is indeed falling, isn't it?
    Nope; we're actually in the midst of a very real national crisis resulting from the bad choices of ignorant gullible voters_

    Funny thing is, the 'amnesty' you're decrying has stricter requirements than Reagan's. That, and no president has deported as many illegal aliens as has Obama.
    Who told you this stuff?!

    It sounds a lot like what Scott Pelley, Candy Crowley and Chris Matthews have been telling people?!

    Hey wait a minute?! Surely you haven't been quoting Katie Couric at Yahoo News have you?!

    But I get it - he's worse than Hitler and Stalin and Mao and Vlad Tepes all combined, and he's out to destroy America because...Obama!
    Actually his plan is to destroy America; figuratively speaking of course_

    Obama stated in 2008 that he planned to "fundamentally change America!"_

    I'm pretty sure you haven't a clue as to what that implies but you could look it up_

    Never mind; I'm pretty sure you still wouldn't understand what he was talking about_
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    Re: What Amnesty Has Already Done to America

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    Yeah, the sky is indeed falling, isn't it?

    Funny thing is, the 'amnesty' you're decrying has stricter requirements than Reagan's. That, and no president has deported as many illegal aliens as has Obama.

    But I get it - he's worse than Hitler and Stalin and Mao and Vlad Tepes all combined, and he's out to destroy America because...Obama!
    That's another Obama lie. Didn't you get the word ? It must have been posted a couple dozen times on the DP that Obama's a tricky little ****ing liar. He cooked the numbers. He took those caught at the border and turned around and sent back across the border and then lied to the American people and claimed they were deported.

    Only a judge can deport someone.

    Actually interior enforcement deportations have dropped during the Obama administration. Basically Obama isn't enforcing our laws.

    After Obama was exposed in the lies, the Obama White House started using the words "removed."

    Deportation Numbers Unwrapped | Center for Immigration Studies

    Lies, damned lies, and Obama

    >" The Foundry reported on that hearing, in which Smith’s questioning revealed that interior deportations—the measure used in previous administrations—actually have dropped by 40 percent since 2009..."<
    DHS Chief Johnson Confirms Inflation of Deportation Numbers

    Obama Administration Inflating Deportation Numbers | National Review Online

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    Re: What Amnesty Has Already Done to America

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    So we shouldn't deport them? And FYI, the idea of building and manning the wall is less practical than most might believe - all that is necessary is a ladder, or a tunnel. Or boats to get around the wall via either coast.

    If you really, truly want to cut down on illegal immigration, the ONLY, repeat, the ONLY way to do so is to do whatever it takes to build up the economies of those nations who send us the most people. Do what's necessary to make Mexico almost as nice as America, and you'll see illegal immigration plummet.

    But as long as that's not done, as long as America's economy is so much better, as long as there's so much more opportunity here, the illegals will find a way here, no matter what's done to stop them.
    So it's the US's problem that the Mexican's can't manage their economy? The other way is to depress the US economy and US economic opportunities to the point that remaining in Mexico is the more appealing choice. Surely you are not a proponent of that?

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    You're only thinking of quick fixes - which was Reagan's way, to conduct coups to put the "right people" in charge...which usually turned out just the opposite from what was intended.

    What you do is to do more to encourage trade (by developing more major industries there), and do what's necessary to crush the power of the drug lords (and the best way would be by legalizing marijuana here), and to help improve their education system.

    Yes, this would take many billions of dollars...but we have a choice: we can either spend billions improving their economy so they would want to stay home, or we can spend billions trying (in futility) to try to keep them out.
    I'd vote for spending it on keeping them out, rather than enriching their corrupt government leaders.

    There are some things that have to be earned, that have to be built by your own hand or hands to be properly appreciated and properly valued, as well as acquiring the needed skills and organizational and governmental structures to mange it effectively, and to strike the correct balance between the business and the social needs. A rich and well running economy with a profitable business sector and the properly balanced governmental oversight is one of them.

    It's an evolution of the whole, which can't be obtained with some other country waving their magic wand and *poof* you have it, and can deal with it, at least not for the longer haul.
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    Re: What Amnesty Has Already Done to America

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    So it's the US's problem that the Mexican's can't manage their economy? The other way is to depress the US economy and US economic opportunities to the point that remaining in Mexico is the more appealing choice. Surely you are not a proponent of that?
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    Guy, are you so naive that you think that people won't pick up and leave for greener fields? Such has been the way of humanity as long as there's been humans. Do you really think that it would be any different today?

    Picture this: you've got a wife and kids...and you're stuck in poverty in a third-world nation, where if you even accidentally tick off the local strongman, you and your family might just disappear (because you've seen it happen so often to others), and you know down deep in your gut that if you can get your family over that border to America, your family will be safe, your children will have more opportunities for higher education and prosperity in a place that is MUCH safer then where you're at.

    That's the kind of choice that so many parents face across the border...and their duty to do what's best for their children is a heck of a lot more important to them than to obey the law that would keep them from seeking better opportunities in a better land.

    And of course I would not want our economy torn down to the level of Mexico's...which is why I said we need to BUILD Mexico's economy, not tear down our own.



    I'd vote for spending it on keeping them out, rather than enriching their corrupt government leaders.

    There are some things that have to be earned, that have to be built by your own hand or hands to be properly appreciated and properly valued, as well as acquiring the needed skills and organizational and governmental structures to mange it effectively, and to strike the correct balance between the business and the social needs. A rich and well running economy with a profitable business sector and the properly balanced governmental oversight is one of them.

    It's an evolution of the whole, which can't be obtained with some other country waving their magic wand and *poof* you have it, and can deal with it, at least not for the longer haul.[/QUOTE]
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    Re: What Amnesty Has Already Done to America

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
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    Guy, are you so naive that you think that people won't pick up and leave for greener fields? Such has been the way of humanity as long as there's been humans. Do you really think that it would be any different today?

    Picture this: you've got a wife and kids...and you're stuck in poverty in a third-world nation, where if you even accidentally tick off the local strongman, you and your family might just disappear (because you've seen it happen so often to others), and you know down deep in your gut that if you can get your family over that border to America, your family will be safe, your children will have more opportunities for higher education and prosperity in a place that is MUCH safer then where you're at.

    That's the kind of choice that so many parents face across the border...and their duty to do what's best for their children is a heck of a lot more important to them than to obey the law that would keep them from seeking better opportunities in a better land.

    And of course I would not want our economy torn down to the level of Mexico's...which is why I said we need to BUILD Mexico's economy, not tear down our own.



    I'd vote for spending it on keeping them out, rather than enriching their corrupt government leaders.

    There are some things that have to be earned, that have to be built by your own hand or hands to be properly appreciated and properly valued, as well as acquiring the needed skills and organizational and governmental structures to mange it effectively, and to strike the correct balance between the business and the social needs. A rich and well running economy with a profitable business sector and the properly balanced governmental oversight is one of them.

    It's an evolution of the whole, which can't be obtained with some other country waving their magic wand and *poof* you have it, and can deal with it, at least not for the longer haul.
    [/QUOTE]

    Human migration happens. I get it. Things are terrible in Mexico. I get it.

    Even so, how is it US' problem? Other than Mexico is another nation with which the US shares a border.

    That said, I'd still spend on securing the border, and deporting illegal aliens that are found here, rather than setting the precedent that if a nation's people violate US laws and borders often enough, your nation would get some money for it, a terrible precedence to set.

    If enough Mexicans want to change and improve their nation, their economy and their economic opportunities, compliance with Mexican law, then that'll be what will happen. The US can't do this for them. It won't stay that way for long.
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    Re: What Amnesty Has Already Done to America

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    That's another Obama lie. Didn't you get the word ? It must have been posted a couple dozen times on the DP that Obama's a tricky little ****ing liar. He cooked the numbers. He took those caught at the border and turned around and sent back across the border and then lied to the American people and claimed they were deported.

    Only a judge can deport someone.

    Actually interior enforcement deportations have dropped during the Obama administration. Basically Obama isn't enforcing our laws.

    After Obama was exposed in the lies, the Obama White House started using the words "removed."

    Deportation Numbers Unwrapped | Center for Immigration Studies

    Lies, damned lies, and Obama

    >" The Foundry reported on that hearing, in which Smith’s questioning revealed that interior deportations—the measure used in previous administrations—actually have dropped by 40 percent since 2009..."<
    DHS Chief Johnson Confirms Inflation of Deportation Numbers

    Obama Administration Inflating Deportation Numbers | National Review Online

    https://www.numbersusa.com/content/n...tatistics.html
    AR, relax, willya? If you listen to the right-wing echo chamber, you'll think that illegals are overrunning the nation, that the doors have been opened wide, and - of course - that Obama's trying to destroy America. But if you'll check out the data, the number of illegals in America has actually dropped since Obama took office...and I think you're going to have a REAL hard time finding that the number of illegals under ANY other president actually dropped. In fact, under Your Boy Bush 43, the number of illegals increased by over 50%!

    So, lemme see here...under Bush the number of illegals increased by over 50% and all we hear from the Right is *crickets*, but under Obama the number of illegals has actually dropped (perhaps for the first time over the period of ANY presidency in the modern era)...and the Right's RAISING HELL because Obama's letting the nation be overrun by illegals.

    Such vast hypocrisy....
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    Re: What Amnesty Has Already Done to America

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post

    Human migration happens. I get it. Things are terrible in Mexico. I get it.

    Even so, how is it US' problem? Other than Mexico is another nation with which the US shares a border.
    "How is that US' problem"? Really? Guy, such has ALWAYS been a problem for prosperous nations when there's a poor nation next door! And it's not just that we share a border - you should read about the illegal immigration problems that Europe has, coming from Africa and the Middle East.

    That said, I'd still spend on securing the border, and deporting illegal aliens that are found here, rather than setting the precedent that if a nation's people violate US laws and borders often enough, your nation would get some money for it, a terrible precedence to set.
    Yeah, the illegals are just flooding in, ain't they? BTW, you do know that there are fewer illegals in America now than when Obama took office, right? And you do know that under Bush 43, the number of illegals in America increased by over 50%, right?

    Hmmm...lemme see here...under Obama the number of illegals fell, but under Bush the number of illegals rose by over 50%...but it's Obama that's opening the floodgates of illegals. Riiiiiiiiight.

    If enough Mexicans want to change and improve their nation, their economy and their economic opportunities, compliance with Mexican law, then that'll be what will happen. The US can't do this for them. It won't stay that way for long.
    Of course we can't do it for them...but we sure as heck can make it easier for them to do so. And it is very much in our national best interest to do so.

    And yes, that means spending more of your precious tax dollars...but you're going to pay ANYWAY. You will either pay to help them build their economy and make their lives better so they'll stay there...OR you will pay for what happens when millions of them come to America illegally because their lives on the other side of the border are so hard. But you will pay anyway, whether you like it or not.
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    Re: What Amnesty Has Already Done to America

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    Yeah, the sky is indeed falling, isn't it?

    Funny thing is, the 'amnesty' you're decrying has stricter requirements than Reagan's. That, and no president has deported as many illegal aliens as has Obama.

    But I get it - he's worse than Hitler and Stalin and Mao and Vlad Tepes all combined, and he's out to destroy America because...Obama!
    Actually, using Obama's definition of deportation....yes, other presidents have deported as many.
    Too bad Congress didn't follow through with closing the border under Reagan's amnesty.
    As with the 1986 bill, Obama's solution will end up with an open border and this discussion
    will arise again in 2 decades

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