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Reporter Suspended For Defending Evolution Comes Back, Gives Immediate Middle Finger

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X Factor said:
The probability of life originating from accident is comparable to the probability of the unabridged dictionary resulting from an explosion in a printing shop" (Dr. Edwin Conklin, evolutionist and professor of biology at Princeton University).
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That isn't what evolution is.

But to your point, it happened, get over it.

Believe whatever you want, just don't teach religious dogma to kids in public school.

Want to make crap up and teach it to kids? Do it in your private school.
 
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X Factor said:
You think the question of evolution/creation is settled? Lol.
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For those who have an education, yes, it is.

Thanks for demonstrating the wisdom of this quote (since I know how much you like quotes).

"Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other views." ---William F. Buckley, Jr.
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Okay, name me a single commercialized product that Creation Science plays a role in producing other than media propaganda.

I can list you plenty of things evolution is used for to make tangible products. You can believe whatever you want, but it if doesn't do anything, then it's probably wrong compared to something that is actually useful.
 
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But.... But... But.. LIBERAL MEDIA!?!?!?!?
 
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X Factor said:
So anyone who believes in creation is a moron? And that is effectively all this thread is about isn't it? A little faith baiting.
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Anyone who believes in Literal Young Earth Creationism is a moron.

Anyone who believes in Literal Young Earth Creationism is also not a Christian as YEC eliminates the possibility of a Perfect God as it produced theological contradictions in what God says and does.
 
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X Factor said:
So anyone who believes in creation is a moron? And that is effectively all this thread is about isn't it? A little faith baiting.
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That is the problem....believe.
Believe whatever you want.

However, evolution is fact.
 
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X Factor said:
I don't agree with the one guy being suspended but what, exactly, made Schilling a moron for expressing his views on Twitter (other than that you disagree with him)?
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Would you think he's a moron if he posted on Twitter that Bush was behind 9/11 so he could invade Iraq to avenge his father and that the Iranians were in on the plan because they also hated Saddam?
 
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RogueWarrior said:
You would have to define what you mean by creation.

Typically, evolution theories and creation hypotheses don't have a conflict unless the creationist chooses to ignore all the scientific evidence from geology, paleontology, physics, biology, microbiology, astronomy and a few others.
There is too much scientific evidence to deny that the earth is billions of years old and the universe vastly older than that.
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There is actually an explanation to this that allows YEC to function.

The problem is that it creates a gigantic theological problem with the nature of God's perfection and trustworthiness to the point where nothing about God can be believed. That's a far bigger problem for YECs than the issue of scientific evidence as it effectively destroys the entire basis for their religion.
 
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X Factor said:
So anyone who believes in creation is a moron? And that is effectively all this thread is about isn't it? A little faith baiting.
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They can be ignorant, crazy or foolishly closed-minded also.
 
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Hard Truth said:
They can be ignorant, crazy or foolishly closed-minded also.
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Ah, much better. Thanks for clarifying.
 
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X Factor said:
You think the question of evolution/creation is settled?
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With all the evidence from fossils to insights from DNA analysis--not just for humans but all living organisms--the case for evolution is so overwhelming that it is essentially a settled matter in science. Not every detail along the path of evolution is known, but the notion that humans evolved into their present species (and are still evolving today with certain genes under selection) is overwhelmingly supported by scientific evidence. It is also improbable that humans would have been the single static life form that never evolved (refuted by the reality that they continue to evolve based on genes under selection).
 
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donsutherland1 said:
With all the evidence from fossils to insights from DNA analysis--not just for humans but all living organisms--the case for evolution is so overwhelming that it is essentially a settled matter in science. Not every detail along the path of evolution is known, but the notion that humans evolved into their present species (and are still evolving today with certain genes under selection) is overwhelmingly supported by scientific evidence. It is also improbable that humans would have been the single static life form that never evolved (refuted by the reality that they continue to evolve based on genes under selection).
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Do you think believing in a creator makes one a moron?
 
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X Factor said:
Sorry, but how else can your post be understood?
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That people who regurgitate that creationist one-liner are morons.


Oh wait, that's what I wrote.
 
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X Factor said:
Do you think believing in a creator makes one a moron?
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Enough with the victim complex, seriously. He said nothing of the sort.

Either start discussing what people actually say or just go outside and shout at the wind, because that's what you're doing in this thread. You're having some other conversation nobody else here is part of.
 
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obvious Child said:
Anyone who believes in Literal Young Earth Creationism is a moron.

Anyone who believes in Literal Young Earth Creationism is also not a Christian as YEC eliminates the possibility of a Perfect God as it produced theological contradictions in what God says and does.
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Anyone who believes that Jesus Christ is the Son of God, that He died for our sins and that we are saved through our faith/belief in Him is a Christian.

It's funny how the people most hostile and enraged by religion seem to think they're the authority on what someone's "true beliefs" should be.
 
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Deuce said:
Enough with the victim complex, seriously. He said nothing of the sort.

Either start discussing what people actually say or just go outside and shout at the wind, because that's what you're doing in this thread. You're having some other conversation nobody else here is part of.
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I know he didn't say it, I was just wondering if he'd agree with someone who did. I'd be surprised if he did. What do you care any way? I believe in a creator and I have "regurgitated" arguments in favor of my beliefs and we all know what you think of people who believe as I do.
 
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X Factor said:
Anyone who believes that Jesus Christ is the Son of God, that He died for our sins and that we are saved through our faith/belief in Him is a Christian.

It's funny how the people most hostile and enraged by religion seem to think they're the authority on what someone's "true beliefs" should be.
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Will you come into the same-sex marriage threads and explain this to people? Because apparently you can't be a REAL CHRISTIAN and support same-sex marriage being legal in the United States.

Literal Young Earth Creationism, as OC puts it, does require stupidity, ignorance, or both. (and I stress that ignorance and stupidity aren't the same thing. some people believe in YEC because they were raised that way and just haven't really been exposed to the reality of the situation)
 
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X Factor said:
I know he didn't say it, I was just wondering if he'd agree with someone who did. I'd be surprised if he did. What do you care any way? I believe in a creator and I have "regurgitated" arguments in favor of my beliefs and we all know what you think of people who believe as I do.
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Keep in mind that the criticisms here are aimed at Young Earth Creationism in particular, as well as what I refer to as "anti-evolution" crowd. People who, for whatever reason, feel threatened by evolution and try to attack it. Evolution, The Big Bang, etc, are not at all contradictory with belief in a creator.
 
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Deuce said:
Will you come into the same-sex marriage threads and explain this to people? Because apparently you can't be a REAL CHRISTIAN and support same-sex marriage being legal in the United States.
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I absolutely would. Shoot, they'd be saying that about me. Show me where that's being said.

Literal Young Earth Creationism, as OC puts it, does require stupidity, ignorance, or both. (and I stress that ignorance and stupidity aren't the same thing. some people believe in YEC because they were raised that way and just haven't really been exposed to the reality of the situation)
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With God, all things are possible. Now, tell me how stupid/ignorant you think I am for believing that.
 
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Deuce said:
Keep in mind that the criticisms here are aimed at Young Earth Creationism in particular, as well as what I refer to as "anti-evolution" crowd. People who, for whatever reason, feel threatened by evolution and try to attack it. Evolution, The Big Bang, etc, are not at all contradictory with belief in a creator.
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Not that I don't appreciate all the simpering back pedaling, but why don't you tell all that to the "anti-creation" crowd too. You're being incredibly dishonest if you're claiming that none of your biggest pro evolution militants here are absolutely hostile to belief in a creator and also feel threatened by the thought and try to attack it.
 
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X Factor said:
I absolutely would. Shoot, they'd be saying that about me. Show me where that's being said.



With God, all things are possible. Now, tell me how stupid/ignorant you think I am for believing that.
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All things are possible with an omnipotent creator.

However, said creator, if he exists, created the earth more than 6000 years ago and this is readily provable. But hey, kudos for yet again trying to inflate this discussion beyond what has been said.
 
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X Factor said:
Not that I don't appreciate all the simpering back pedaling, but why don't you tell all that to the "anti-creation" crowd too. You're being incredibly dishonest if you're claiming that none of your biggest pro evolution militants here are absolutely hostile to belief in a creator and also feel threatened by the thought and try to attack it.
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Oh look, more ****ing straw man attacks. Say, X Factor, why don't you go ahead and quote where I said that? Or anything else you've claimed I've said. Are you going for the world record "Most Dishonest Posts Per Thread?" Because it's a good run!

Can't help but notice there wasn't any actual response to the substance. You didn't even acknowledge the fact that this is discussing YEC in particular. Why not?
 
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Deuce said:
Oh look, more ****ing straw man attacks. Say, X Factor, why don't you go ahead and quote where I said that?
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So you gonna call that out as well? You didn't answer that.

Or anything else you've claimed I've said. Are you going for the world record "Most Dishonest Posts Per Thread?" Because it's a good run!

Can't help but notice there wasn't any actual response to the substance. You didn't even acknowledge the fact that this is discussing YEC in particular. Why not?
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Look, according to Genesis, God created Adam from dust and Eve from Adam's rib. You'd find anyone who believed that stupid/ignorant, right? I really just want you to say what you want to say. Just let the words fall out. Honestly, I want to see you be brave.
 
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X Factor said:
So you gonna call that out as well? You didn't answer that.



Look, according to Genesis, God created Adam from dust and Eve from Adam's rib. You'd find anyone who believed that stupid/ignorant, right? I really just want you to say what you want to say. Just let the words fall out. Honestly, I want to see you be brave.
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People who read Genesis literally and conclude the Earth must be 6000 years old or so are ignorant and/or dumb, yes. Because the Earth is more than 6000 years old, and human development occurred differently than "poof."

God can do anything. But what he did is something we can measure, to some degree.
 
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X Factor said:
You think the question of evolution/creation is settled? Lol.
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Among the scientifically illiterate, no it isn't settled. However, in science, yes it certainly is. Evolution is one of the 2 foundational laws of all of biology.

The 2 fundimental laws of Biology are:

1. All of the phenomena of biology, the entities and the processes, are ultimately obedient to the laws of physics and chemistry. Not immediately reducible to them, but ultimately consistent and in consilience with them, by a cause and effect explanation.

2. All biological phenomena, these entities and processes that define life itself, have arisen by evolution through natural selection.

Basically this means that there is nothing magical about you, no supernatural explanation for how we came into existence or how the earth came to be a planet that teams with an amazing diversity of life.

Does all of this mean that there could not be some supernatural entity that created the universe? No, it doesn't. It just means that there is not one shred of evidence for such a creator. Thus the question of whether there is a God / Creator or not is a question for religion, not science. Science only deals with the natural world. If you attempt to inject anything supernatural into science, then its no longer science.

Thanks for demonstrating the wisdom of this quote (since I know how much you like quotes).
"Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other views." ---William F. Buckley, Jr.
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Unfortunately, no one is shocked at the notion that in the 21st century there are still a decent number of people out there that are so ignorant of the life sciences to honestly believe that creation is an alternative theory to evolution.
 
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