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    Re: Reporter Suspended For Defending Evolution Comes Back, Gives Immediate Middle Fin

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    Most believers don't believe in literal creation, so I don't know what your point there is. I assure you that any actual creationist would quickly pick up where I stand in regards to their beliefs regardless of whether you have your PSA or not.
    You've already said, repeatedly that you anyone who consider themselves a creationist is an idiot, doesn't matter what "type". That's grand. I'm not trying to dissuade you at all. I'm telling you that most Christians consider themselves creationists.
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    Re: Reporter Suspended For Defending Evolution Comes Back, Gives Immediate Middle Fin

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    You've already said, repeatedly that you anyone who consider themselves a creationist is an idiot, doesn't matter what "type". That's grand. I'm not trying to dissuade you at all. I'm telling you that most Christians consider themselves creationists.
    A creationist is someone that believes the accounts in Genesis 1 and Genesis 2 are the literal accounts of the creation of man, all life and the universe. If you think that is what most Christians believe, then you need to visit a few churches.
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    Re: Reporter Suspended For Defending Evolution Comes Back, Gives Immediate Middle Fin

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Eh, I disagree...specifically for the very reasons you laid out in your original post and then here as well.

    It's far different to believe that there was/is some sort of entity/power beyond the natural world that either initially set the natural word in motion (and potentially, depending on ones view on the matter, continues to dictate the manner in which that motion proceeds)....and to literally believe in the biblical account of creation, both as a YEC or an OEC.

    Most specifically, science does not inherently contradict the basic premises behind ID as it does with either of the creationist belief structures.

    Honestly, many of those I've ran into that either are ardent supporters of ID, or more casual supporters, haven't really been what I'd deem "fundamentalist" but rather run of the mill religious types. I don't think the notion of ID really fits as well with a fundamentalist view, as ID opens itself up to any number of various "creator" entities as well as is feasible to work in concert with most of scientific theory.

    So I kind of agree with your latter part, but somewhat disagree with the former...unless you're simply meaning "it's a more modern take on 'creation via a super natural method'".
    I think you are confusing Intelligent Design with Theistic Evolution. Science doesn't inherently contradict Theistic Evolution, but ID is another matter entirely.

    Theistic evolution basically asserts that man evolved just like all other life forms. However, evolution as a natural law is a product of God. God is omniscient, thus God knew everything that would result from the laws of the universe that he created, and thus man, and all life - God created us with evolution.

    ID goes far further than that. ID asserts that God literally created parts of us such as our eyes because they are "irreducibly complex" and that we did not evolve, but rather are the product of a supernatural assembly process that merely appears to scientists that limit themselves to naturalistic explanations as though we evolved. As such, ID is in no way compatible with modern science.
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    Re: Reporter Suspended For Defending Evolution Comes Back, Gives Immediate Middle Fin

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    Re: Reporter Suspended For Defending Evolution Comes Back, Gives Immediate Middle Fin

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Eh, I think the one caveat to this is I have encountered people who subscribe to the intelligent design style of thought that refer to themselves as creationists. While I agree with you in terms of the general definition, I deifnitely think there are people who self identify as "creationist" who dont necessarily believe the bibilical creation story is literal in nature but rather fall more in the ID side of things.
    ID is creationism. The problem is when they try to be scientific about it all, but they can't because all their creationism still has to rely on "...and then, a miracle happened" to prove their point. Supernatural miracles that flout the laws of physics is a nice McGuffin, but untestable, non repeatable, un provable, and rely on the heresay from a oft re written book from iron age times.

    That is no foundation for anything even remotely resembling science.
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    Re: Reporter Suspended For Defending Evolution Comes Back, Gives Immediate Middle Fin

    If people could visualize advanced lifeforms taking the place of words like "gods, demons, angels," and open their mind to the possibility that we are only advanced as we are, through genetic design and manipulation, by the afore mentioned, all that religious mumbo-jumbo might start to make sense. At least a bit more than it makes now.

    I wish I could witness with my eyes the things the ancients must have seen to come up with the "God," theory. It had to be spectacular.

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    Re: Reporter Suspended For Defending Evolution Comes Back, Gives Immediate Middle Fin

    Quote Originally Posted by beefheart View Post
    ID is creationism. The problem is when they try to be scientific about it all, but they can't because all their creationism still has to rely on "...and then, a miracle happened" to prove their point. Supernatural miracles that flout the laws of physics is a nice McGuffin, but untestable, non repeatable, un provable, and rely on the heresay from a oft re written book from iron age times.

    That is no foundation for anything even remotely resembling science.
    I think it's basically a creationist-driven movement to supply a rather deistic explanation for the universe.
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    Re: Reporter Suspended For Defending Evolution Comes Back, Gives Immediate Middle Fin

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    I think it's basically a creationist-driven movement to supply a rather deistic explanation for the universe.
    And it is pure garbage. Every religion has its own origin myth, but the creationists want their christian one to be the one taugh in schools, as science.

    Maybe the yokels in Texas will eat that baloney, but they do so at the risk of furthering their ignorance.
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    Re: Reporter Suspended For Defending Evolution Comes Back, Gives Immediate Middle Fin

    Quote Originally Posted by beefheart View Post
    ID is creationism. The problem is when they try to be scientific about it all, but they can't because all their creationism still has to rely on "...and then, a miracle happened" to prove their point. Supernatural miracles that flout the laws of physics is a nice McGuffin, but untestable, non repeatable, un provable, and rely on the heresay from a oft re written book from iron age times.

    That is no foundation for anything even remotely resembling science.
    You get a like from me (cherish it) for not mincing or trying to spin away from what you've been saying or claiming to have the only possible definition of "creationism"
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    Re: Reporter Suspended For Defending Evolution Comes Back, Gives Immediate Middle Fin

    Quote Originally Posted by beefheart View Post
    And it is pure garbage. Every religion has its own origin myth, but the creationists want their christian one to be the one taugh in schools, as science.

    Maybe the yokels in Texas will eat that baloney, but they do so at the risk of furthering their ignorance.
    I'm not interested in teaching it in a science classroom, but I certainly think it valid for exploration in the many social science courses we expect young people to walk through. It might be slightly redundant, but it's not as if deism is a foreign concept to public school educators.
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