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    Re: Reporter Suspended For Defending Evolution Comes Back, Gives Immediate Middle Fin

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    I like how he is quoting me in his signature obviously without realizing the a majority of people would agree with my statement he is quoting.
    That is quite possible, although I doubt the "stupid" part, but there are people here that would be surprised that it came from you. I consider it a PSA for any believer who engages you so that they know, at the outset, where they stand with you. That's all.

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    Re: Reporter Suspended For Defending Evolution Comes Back, Gives Immediate Middle Fin

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    Reporter Suspended For Defending Evolution Comes Back, Gives Immediate Middle FingerFolks, this isn't the basement. I suggest people don't treat it such, both in those baiting or those wantonly participating in the bait

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    Re: Reporter Suspended For Defending Evolution Comes Back, Gives Immediate Middle Fin

    Quote Originally Posted by beefheart View Post
    Even better is seeing it happen to a Dallas Cowboys fan.....
    Let's just keep the Cowboys out of this.
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    Re: Reporter Suspended For Defending Evolution Comes Back, Gives Immediate Middle Fin

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    He is dishonestly conflating believing in a creator and being a creationist. The two are mutually exclusive. The fact that he thinks evolution and a creator were mutually exclusive and then got completely destroyed when he tried to claim all Christians were creationists-a-la-evangelicals just made me realize how little he knows about this topic. Then again... what else can we expect from someone who tried to pass off a devout Christian scientist as an evolutionist?
    Its like saying that accepting the laws of physics and the belief in a creator are mutually exclusive. Back when I was religious I would get really annoyed when a fundamentalist would paint challenges to their absurd beliefs (creationism, flood geology, tower of babel) as "attacks on Christians". I was raised Catholic, Roman Catholics constitute half of the world's 2 billion Christians and Catholics are not creationists and don't believe in such nonsense as Flood Geology. As an adult I became Episcopalian, and they don't believe such nonsense either, and the Anglican Communion, which they are apart of is the third largest Christian denomination on earth. Its actually a minority of Christians that hold such ridiculous beliefs such as creationism, flood geology and so on.
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    Re: Reporter Suspended For Defending Evolution Comes Back, Gives Immediate Middle Fin

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    Creationists by definition are people that believe that the 2 creation stories in Genesis are literal accounts of the creation of man, all life, and the universe. Within creationism there are 2 sects, Old Earth and New Earth. Basically the division being whether the earth is 6 thousand years old or much older. However, regardless of how old they think the earth is, creationists by definition believe there was a literal Adam and a literal Eve that which all of humanity descends from.

    Frankly I am beginning to think that despite your histrionic indignation, you don't even know what creationists believe.
    Eh, I think the one caveat to this is I have encountered people who subscribe to the intelligent design style of thought that refer to themselves as creationists. While I agree with you in terms of the general definition, I deifnitely think there are people who self identify as "creationist" who dont necessarily believe the bibilical creation story is literal in nature but rather fall more in the ID side of things.

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    Re: Reporter Suspended For Defending Evolution Comes Back, Gives Immediate Middle Fin

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Eh, I think the one caveat to this is I have encountered people who subscribe to the intelligent design style of thought that refer to themselves as creationists. While I agree with you in terms of the general definition, I deifnitely think there are people who self identify as "creationist" who dont necessarily believe the bibilical creation story is literal in nature but rather fall more in the ID side of things.
    ID is basically creationism with modern marketing. What gets me about it though is that if you believe that the Bible, cover to cover, is the literal word of God and a literal account of history, then Intelligent Design is no more compatible with your fundamentalist interpretation of scripture than evolution is.
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    Re: Reporter Suspended For Defending Evolution Comes Back, Gives Immediate Middle Fin

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    That is quite possible, although I doubt the "stupid" part, but there are people here that would be surprised that it came from you. I consider it a PSA for any believer who engages you so that they know, at the outset, where they stand with you. That's all.

    I do appreciate your consent to keep it.
    Most believers don't believe in literal creation, so I don't know what your point there is. I assure you that any actual creationist would quickly pick up where I stand in regards to their beliefs regardless of whether you have your PSA or not.
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    Re: Reporter Suspended For Defending Evolution Comes Back, Gives Immediate Middle Fin

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Yeah, except this was a coworker at ESPN.
    So what... I don't see that as any reason to not criticize someone. If you were not allowed to criticize a co-worker, how would you ever resolve any problems at work, or point out someone that is not doing their job?
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    Re: Reporter Suspended For Defending Evolution Comes Back, Gives Immediate Middle Fin

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    Its like saying that accepting the laws of physics and the belief in a creator are mutually exclusive. Back when I was religious I would get really annoyed when a fundamentalist would paint challenges to their absurd beliefs (creationism, flood geology, tower of babel) as "attacks on Christians". I was raised Catholic, Roman Catholics constitute half of the world's 2 billion Christians and Catholics are not creationists and don't believe in such nonsense as Flood Geology. As an adult I became Episcopalian, and they don't believe such nonsense either, and the Anglican Communion, which they are apart of is the third largest Christian denomination on earth. Its actually a minority of Christians that hold such ridiculous beliefs such as creationism, flood geology and so on.
    You're preaching to the choir here man. My wife is a catholic and she doesn't place all that much emphasis on genesis other than it's a cute story told by people who never even came close to noticing evolution. What I think is more telling about all this is that the arguments have been better addressed than in most other discussions concerning evolution. We simply don't live in an age where the bible provides anywhere near a logical explanation for the origins of life. We're what? Half a century away from printing organs? Maybe less? How anyone can still think "and then God made man out of dust" is a logical explanation is just being willfully obtuse of the knowledge the human race has developed and attained in the last 100 years. I mean, you can keep all the religious teachings and I have no doubt they benefit some, but there simply isn't much scientific accuracy in the bible.
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    Re: Reporter Suspended For Defending Evolution Comes Back, Gives Immediate Middle Fin

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    ID is basically creationism with modern marketing.
    Eh, I disagree...specifically for the very reasons you laid out in your original post and then here as well.

    It's far different to believe that there was/is some sort of entity/power beyond the natural world that either initially set the natural word in motion (and potentially, depending on ones view on the matter, continues to dictate the manner in which that motion proceeds)....and to literally believe in the biblical account of creation, both as a YEC or an OEC.

    Most specifically, science does not inherently contradict the basic premises behind ID as it does with either of the creationist belief structures.

    Honestly, many of those I've ran into that either are ardent supporters of ID, or more casual supporters, haven't really been what I'd deem "fundamentalist" but rather run of the mill religious types. I don't think the notion of ID really fits as well with a fundamentalist view, as ID opens itself up to any number of various "creator" entities as well as is feasible to work in concert with most of scientific theory.

    So I kind of agree with your latter part, but somewhat disagree with the former...unless you're simply meaning "it's a more modern take on 'creation via a super natural method'".

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