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    Re: Walmart Workers Launch Black Friday Strike

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    That's fair, but limited to one individual family. I could anecdotally point to several families that like to shop together. And let's not forget, we're not actually talking in this OP about working retail on the holiday with any meaning - we're talking about Black Friday, which is by definition a shopping holiday. And as for tradition, I'd say that those people who work for the Detroit Lions and Dallas Cowboys, two NFL teams who've had home games on Thanksgiving Thursday for decades, manage to find a way to celebrate the holiday around their work schedule, knowing full well that working for these teams will mandate working on the holiday.
    You make strong points here, and as someone who entered a field that often requires weekend, night and holiday hours, I understand full well there's a voluntary element to this. But as my anecdote illustrates, working holidays like Thanksgiving does come a cultural and social cost for many. I understand these employees' dissatisfaction with the changing expectations of their jobs and their desire to be compensated for what they see as involuntary sacrifices. Remember, these holiday hours are only a couple years old -- for most of these retail workers, this represents a new demand from their employer.

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    Re: Walmart Workers Launch Black Friday Strike

    Meh. I'm generally in favor of worker solidarity and all that jazz. Great way to raise wages and improve working conditions. But lets be honest here: taking a retail job and getting pissed about working black friday is, um, ****ing dumb. Sorry.

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    Re: Walmart Workers Launch Black Friday Strike

    Quote Originally Posted by bg85 View Post
    okay let's slow down for just a minute here. please note that i am pro-free market, and whatever wage you earn is probably a "fair" wage. that said, the report you've quote above is misleading. to only look at the wages of full-time workers means you're either ignorant about walmart's business practices or you're trying to pull one over on everybody.

    i'll start with a few questions: do you happen to know what percentage of walmart workers are full-time, and what percentage are part-time? how many hours per week does the average part-time worker get to work?

    are the full-time employees mostly supervisory and management employees, or do they also encompass a significant portion of line-level employees who make up the majority of the company's workers?
    It would appear that about 5% of Walmart's employees work less than 30 hours per week.

    All Wal-Mart employees who work less than 30 hours a week will no longer be eligible for coverage, a policy change that will affect 2 percent of the company’s 1.3 million U.S. workers and about 5 percent of its part-time workforce.
    Wal-Mart to end health insurance coverage for some part-time workers - The Washington Post
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    Re: Walmart Workers Launch Black Friday Strike

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    Let them have freedom of expression, that's a good thing. But then again I'm not really going to respect people who won't work demanding more pay and more money. What's wrong with working 40+ hours a week or having 2 jobs? What's wrong with living with roommates and cutting cost? The whole "living wage" this is flawed and seems to push some entitlement mindset. You wage is valued on what the market deems, not what your self important self thinks you are worth.
    1. These are workers.

    2. Paying a full-time worker a wage that does not cover the basics of food, shelter and transportation is immoral exploitation and should not be considered acceptable. For a highly profitable company to keep a large portion of their employees in part-time status just to dodge providing benefits is also wrong. The quest for profits needs to be balanced with human decency. If the owners have no sense of decency, then the workers and public, especially customers, should organize and make the owner's excessive greed unprofitable. That is democracy in action.

    3. Opinion #2 is not directly related to this particular labor action.

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    Re: Walmart Workers Launch Black Friday Strike

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Sorry, did the workers get "assigned" to Walmart through some criminal rehab program or did they apply and agree to work retail store hours?

    If someone was hired with the GUARANTEE that they wouldn't work holidays, you might have a point. But I am fairly confident that this sort of arrangement was not done in the interview.

    Are you showing the same concern for the fire department, police department, and other people that HAVE to work holidays or are you ONLY interested in RETAIL?
    Do you work in a field that is booming in business? I do. I can choose to work in about 60 different countries based only on the fact that I'm fluent in 3 languages. Have I worked in all 60? No but I've worked with teams from around 40. I'm also pretty aware of the fact that I'm not amongst the general populace. My level of education has been constantly rising for years while I work. However, that's only been ensured because of the possibilities made possible through a combination of sheer luck, business savvy and networking. With all that said, I believe I'm an economic minority in the US. The majority do not have the level of economic mobility I've found. What does that mean for me? It means that I'm aware that simply switching jobs is not a possibility for a large number of people. I'm also aware that most of these people are already working for minimum wage just to make ends meet. That means that leaving a job and risking being out of work for even 1 week can make the difference between paying rent and not having money.

    That's what these demonstrations are about. Walmart is consistently ranked as one of the worst companies to work for. Not only do they have no issue with labor abuses in other countries, they also seem to have freedom to do as they wish in the US. Those who defend them say 'well, nobody is forced to work for them'. However, we know that's not really a solution anymore than me telling the average moronic libertarian teenager 'if you don't like it, leave the country'. It's a way for the discussion to be silenced. However, it only works if all the other individual has to offer to the discussion is complaining. As it stands, the supposedly anti-Walmart crowd is offering solutions to the problem. These solutions include better treatment/payment of workers as well as an acknowledgement that the people working for Walmart aren't tools which can be discarded. These solutions apparently aren't good enough for you.

    So with that said, what is your solution for these people who are being forced to work overtime/holiday (for no extra pay), restricted from social mobility and generally treated as indentured servants? Are they supposed to swallow it because they agreed to work for Walmart? They didn't agree to be mistreated by management. They didn't agree to be restricted from social mobility. The people in these communities didn't agree to be fired for the suggestion that workers have rights which can be defended by unions. I'll wait for your answer.
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    Re: Walmart Workers Launch Black Friday Strike

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Do you work in a field that is booming in business? I do. I can choose to work in about 60 different countries based only on the fact that I'm fluent in 3 languages. Have I worked in all 60? No but I've worked with teams from around 40. I'm also pretty aware of the fact that I'm not amongst the general populace. My level of education has been constantly rising for years while I work. However, that's only been ensured because of the possibilities made possible through a combination of sheer luck, business savvy and networking. With all that said, I believe I'm an economic minority in the US. The majority do not have the level of economic mobility I've found. What does that mean for me? It means that I'm aware that simply switching jobs is not a possibility for a large number of people. I'm also aware that most of these people are already working for minimum wage just to make ends meet. That means that leaving a job and risking being out of work for even 1 week can make the difference between paying rent and not having money.

    That's what these demonstrations are about. Walmart is consistently ranked as one of the worst companies to work for. Not only do they have no issue with labor abuses in other countries, they also seem to have freedom to do as they wish in the US. Those who defend them say 'well, nobody is forced to work for them'. However, we know that's not really a solution anymore than me telling the average moronic libertarian teenager 'if you don't like it, leave the country'. It's a way for the discussion to be silenced. However, it only works if all the other individual has to offer to the discussion is complaining. As it stands, the supposedly anti-Walmart crowd is offering solutions to the problem. These solutions include better treatment/payment of workers as well as an acknowledgement that the people working for Walmart aren't tools which can be discarded. These solutions apparently aren't good enough for you.

    So with that said, what is your solution for these people who are being forced to work overtime/holiday (for no extra pay), restricted from social mobility and generally treated as indentured servants? Are they supposed to swallow it because they agreed to work for Walmart? They didn't agree to be mistreated by management. They didn't agree to be restricted from social mobility. The people in these communities didn't agree to be fired for the suggestion that workers have rights which can be defended by unions. I'll wait for your answer.
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    Re: Walmart Workers Launch Black Friday Strike

    Quote Originally Posted by bg85 View Post
    (actually i did answer this but i'll do it again) yes, but that's irrelevant. maybe they've changed their mind about working holiday hours, which they, as free citizens, are allowed to do.
    Then, if they are free to change their mind about when they work, they are equally free to get themslves another job in a business that closes on Thanksgiving day, and the store is free to replace them with people who don't care for turkey all that much.

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    Re: Walmart Workers Launch Black Friday Strike

    Quote Originally Posted by GhostlyJoe View Post
    You make strong points here, and as someone who entered a field that often requires weekend, night and holiday hours, I understand full well there's a voluntary element to this. But as my anecdote illustrates, working holidays like Thanksgiving does come a cultural and social cost for many. I understand these employees' dissatisfaction with the changing expectations of their jobs and their desire to be compensated for what they see as involuntary sacrifices. Remember, these holiday hours are only a couple years old -- for most of these retail workers, this represents a new demand from their employer.
    It's also possible, too, that those working undesirable hours are paid a premium for doing so. That's true with third shifts in many cases. I don't know if that applies at Walmart.

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    Re: Walmart Workers Launch Black Friday Strike

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Do you work in a field that is booming in business? I do. I can choose to work in about 60 different countries based only on the fact that I'm fluent in 3 languages. Have I worked in all 60? No but I've worked with teams from around 40. I'm also pretty aware of the fact that I'm not amongst the general populace. My level of education has been constantly rising for years while I work. However, that's only been ensured because of the possibilities made possible through a combination of sheer luck, business savvy and networking. With all that said, I believe I'm an economic minority in the US. The majority do not have the level of economic mobility I've found. What does that mean for me? It means that I'm aware that simply switching jobs is not a possibility for a large number of people. I'm also aware that most of these people are already working for minimum wage just to make ends meet. That means that leaving a job and risking being out of work for even 1 week can make the difference between paying rent and not having money.

    That's what these demonstrations are about. Walmart is consistently ranked as one of the worst companies to work for. Not only do they have no issue with labor abuses in other countries, they also seem to have freedom to do as they wish in the US. Those who defend them say 'well, nobody is forced to work for them'. However, we know that's not really a solution anymore than me telling the average moronic libertarian teenager 'if you don't like it, leave the country'. It's a way for the discussion to be silenced. However, it only works if all the other individual has to offer to the discussion is complaining. As it stands, the supposedly anti-Walmart crowd is offering solutions to the problem. These solutions include better treatment/payment of workers as well as an acknowledgement that the people working for Walmart aren't tools which can be discarded. These solutions apparently aren't good enough for you.

    So with that said, what is your solution for these people who are being forced to work overtime/holiday (for no extra pay), restricted from social mobility and generally treated as indentured servants? Are they supposed to swallow it because they agreed to work for Walmart? They didn't agree to be mistreated by management. They didn't agree to be restricted from social mobility. The people in these communities didn't agree to be fired for the suggestion that workers have rights which can be defended by unions. I'll wait for your answer.
    Dollar General was open today; grocery stores were open today; convenience stores were open today. Where is the outrage for these people?

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    Re: Walmart Workers Launch Black Friday Strike

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    They are free to seek employment elsewhere if they don't like the pay/hours at their current job. If they refuse to work, they should be fired and their jobs given to people who want to work.

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