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    Re: Walmart Workers Launch Black Friday Strike

    Quote Originally Posted by Superfly View Post
    Yes, it is going to change. It's getting earlier and earlier. What y'all don't understand is that the consumers are driving this decision. If the people weren't there to shop, the stores wouldn't be open. You go to your neighborhood Target at 5pm tomorrow night, and tell me what you see. It's scary. The last time I was at Target when they first opened, the line was 3 across, probably a quarter of a mile long. Honestly, I think people would be upset if the stores closed.
    I don't think that consumers orginally wanted stores to stay open on Thanksgiving. I think it went the other way 'round, and then of course stores pretend to slash prices. Now it's just become an event like waiting days for tickets or ipads: it's embarassing to the country in my view. If the stores clammed and just enjoyed the holiday and opened on Friday as they did before, nobody'd miss amything.
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    Re: Walmart Workers Launch Black Friday Strike

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    I'll bet you a good chunk of them want the day off so they can go shopping themselves. Staying home with the families is a crock.
    My family has no Thanksgiving tradition. I work most holidays, and I've worked every Thanksgiving for many years. I'm working this Thanksgiving as well. Most years, we go out to eat for Thanksgiving or have a big meal on another day, if everyone can get the day off. This year, my parents are going to eat cornish hens alone at home. Their kids and grandkids are unavailable for the traditions they grew up with because of conflicting work schedules. So don't presume people's intentions for wanting to celebrate the holiday. Those traditions are meaningful to people, and I can attest that working holidays devastates those traditions and practices.

    Note: I do not work in retail.

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    Re: Walmart Workers Launch Black Friday Strike

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    I do the same thing as well, but you blame corporate greed. I blame consumer want.
    Can't we blame both? If you hire a hitman to kill someone the hitman doesn't get to dodge responsibility just because he is filling a consumer demand.

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    Re: Walmart Workers Launch Black Friday Strike

    Quote Originally Posted by Lovebug View Post
    They have every right to strike. Walmart, depending on their contract with workers, may have every right to replace them. When you apply to work for a 24/7/360 employer, don't be surprised that you may be scheduled on holidays.
    It was my understanding that they were timing the strike to coincide with the store's busiest time, and not that the issue was when the workers were scheduled to be on duty.

    If you want to have a strike, it doesn't make sense to hold it when the store isn't doing a lot of business anyway. Holding them hostage when they expect to make millions in sales is a far better time.
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    Re: Walmart Workers Launch Black Friday Strike

    Quote Originally Posted by Superfly View Post
    Where did I say that? Are you serious? Legality has nothing to do with it! When you work retail, it is a known fact that you will work holidays. The employee can't sue the employer, the employer can't sue the employee. I'm not going to explain this to you anymore. I don't know if English is not your first language, or maybe you lied to sign up, and you really are under 13, if you are being intentionally obtuse, or if you just don't know any better.

    Either way, I think I'm finished with you. I just don't have the patience today.
    i thought you said that because of the quote you were responding to. i asked whether that poster believed they should be legally required to work and that if so, i disagreed with that. you responded by saying "then don't take a job in retail" as though you agree that anyone who takes a job in retail should be legally required to work on a holiday.

    english is my first language. i'm 29. i'm an HR professional and have a masters degree in labor economics. the reason i've been posting the way i've been posting is to try and get others to challenge your own ideas about what unions are, what a strike is, and what it means to live in a free market. if i sound like i'm being obtuse, it is only because you lack the ability to understand these issues from a bigger picture perspective.

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    Re: Walmart Workers Launch Black Friday Strike

    Quote Originally Posted by bg85 View Post
    i thought you said that because of the quote you were responding to. i asked whether that poster believed they should be legally required to work and that if so, i disagreed with that. you responded by saying "then don't take a job in retail" as though you agree that anyone who takes a job in retail should be legally required to work on a holiday.

    english is my first language. i'm 29. i'm an HR professional and have a masters degree in labor economics. the reason i've been posting the way i've been posting is to try and get others to challenge your own ideas about what unions are, what a strike is, and what it means to live in a free market. if i sound like i'm being obtuse, it is only because you lack the ability to understand these issues from a bigger picture perspective.
    OK dude. Whatever.

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    Re: Walmart Workers Launch Black Friday Strike

    Quote Originally Posted by Superfly View Post
    OK dude. Whatever.

    I must go now. I have more pies to bake, so I can be finished, and can start planning my shopping trip for tomorrow night! Woohooo!
    ok dude. maybe while you're shopping you can mull over some of what i said and it will make more sense. in the future you might get better responses from people if you weren't so defensive.

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    Re: Walmart Workers Launch Black Friday Strike

    Quote Originally Posted by bg85 View Post
    and that's cool. i just wanted to make sure i understood what you were saying.

    don't you think that a law requiring folks to show up to work would be unconstitutional? these people didn't sign a contract or anything.
    I have never stated there should be a law. Isn't work days,hours,etc covered in the employees contract?

    If you run a business, would it be ok with you for a worker to tell you what days and hours they are going to work?

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    Re: Walmart Workers Launch Black Friday Strike

    Quote Originally Posted by mike2810 View Post
    I have never stated there should be a law. Isn't work days,hours,etc covered in the employees contract?

    If you run a business, would it be ok with you for a worker to tell you what days and hours they are going to work?
    no these employees don't have contracts. 99% of employees don't have contracts. actually, if you have a contract, you're not technically an "employee" in the eyes of the government.

    if i ran a business, and a worker told me they weren't willing to work the hours i needed them to, i would terminate their employment. i'd be okay with that, because that's how the free market operates.

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    Re: Walmart Workers Launch Black Friday Strike

    Quote Originally Posted by bg85 View Post
    no these employees don't have contracts. 99% of employees don't have contracts.

    if i ran a business, and a worker told me they weren't willing to work the hours i needed them to, i would terminate their employment. i'd be okay with that, because that's how the free market operates.
    we agree again. The employer has a right to let the employee go who will not work the schedule and hours set by the boss.

    I used "contract" as a general term. Should not have. Most all employers lay out what is expected of the employee. Rules of conduct, hours to work, schedules, etc.

    The Walmart employees most likely knew they would have to work on holidays. Heck, some businesses hire extra temps to cover the holidays demands placed by consumers.

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