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    Re: Walmart Workers Launch Black Friday Strike

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    that may not have been what she intended to say but it's the message that was delivered

    Only to you.
    thanks for your perspective!

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    Re: Walmart Workers Launch Black Friday Strike

    Quote Originally Posted by bg85 View Post
    they she said "they can't back out of it." the word "can't" implies to me that they should should not be allowed to back out of it.

    if we FORCE workers to show up, then we're not really living in a free country are we? by saying they should be forced to work, she essentially is expressing her displeasure with the free market.

    that may not have been what she intended to say but it's the message that was delivered.
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    then we agree wholeheartedly! i, however, do not choose to make any judgments on the employees who are simply just trying to get the best deal they can, which is what everyone does in a free market.

    from your post, it certainly sounded like you were NOT in favor of someone's right to strike by saying "they can't back out of it."
    OK. Let me spell it out for you, because obviously nuances of the English language are lost on you.

    When I say they "can't back out," I don't mean they "can't back out." I don't mean that some big-ass security guard is going to come knocking on their door at 2am if they fail to show up for their shift.

    When I say they "can't back out," I mean that their job requires them to work. If they back out, they should (and probably will) be terminated.

    When I tell you that you can't drop trou and piss behind the ficus plant in the office, you do realize that, if you actually do drop trou and piss behind the ficus plant, you aren't going to be physically manhandled, don't you? You have a job, you do it. If you do it wrong, or don't do it at all, you get fired. Nothing more to it than that.
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    Re: Walmart Workers Launch Black Friday Strike

    Quote Originally Posted by bg85 View Post
    that is a really interesting question isn't it? should the public be allowed to tell its emergency workers that they have to come to work?

    i'm not a labor lawyer but i do know there have been many famous cases throughout history that have explored this question. i know that with the air traffic controllers strike a few decades ago, reagan set the precedent that they were NOT allowed to strike because it put the public safety in jeopardy.

    that is an entirely different question though, since walmart employees showing up to work does not have an effect on public safety.
    Yes its a different question and deals with public safety.

    However, even the private sector if they told the person when hired you would be working holidays, the person has the choice of accepting the job or not.

    Besides. How many people today really celibate understand why the Thanksgiving holiday was established. Much like many of our other holidays.

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    Re: Walmart Workers Launch Black Friday Strike

    Quote Originally Posted by bg85 View Post
    most of my labor law knowledge is specific to wv and colorado, but if someone blatantly violates an attendance policy, i know of no state where the employer would not be legally allowed to fire them on the spot.
    I am not a lawyer nor expert on labor laws, but suspect we are looking at this the wrong way. I would argue even though you could be right on that absolute, it would be more difficult in Free Barganing States vs. Right to Work States. Still though, the prior point stands on motivations of the employer. They may not all look at this the same way, and since Walmart has shown a prior attitide of glossing over the concern I do not see much to suggest they will not do the same this year as well.
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    Re: Walmart Workers Launch Black Friday Strike

    Quote Originally Posted by Superfly View Post
    OK. Let me spell it out for you, because obviously nuances of the English language are lost on you.

    When I say they "can't back out," I don't mean they "can't back out." I don't mean that some big-ass security guard is going to come knocking on their door at 2am if they fail to show up for their shift.

    When I say they "can't back out," I mean that their job requires them to work. If they back out, they should (and probably will) be terminated.

    When I tell you that you can't drop trou and piss behind the ficus plant in the office, you do realize that, if you actually do drop trou and piss behind the ficus plant, you aren't going to be physically manhandled, don't you? You have a job, you do it. If you do it wrong, or don't do it at all, you get fired. Nothing more to it than that.
    maybe you should say what you mean then

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    Re: Walmart Workers Launch Black Friday Strike

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    and it must be brutal having a major lack of reading comprehension....because if you had it you would know that I said just a few posts ago that I do not shop any of these sales. Try reading before responding.
    Oh, so it's your claim that everyone else is a spineless idiot unable to control their impulses and need to shop, but not you. How very Gruber of you to have such a high opinion of your fellow Americans.
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    Re: Walmart Workers Launch Black Friday Strike

    Quote Originally Posted by mike2810 View Post
    Yes its a different question and deals with public safety.

    However, even the private sector if they told the person when hired you would be working holidays, the person has the choice of accepting the job or not.

    Besides. How many people today really celibate understand why the Thanksgiving holiday was established. Much like many of our other holidays.
    i guess i don't understand what you're saying then. are you saying that retail workers should be legally required to show up to work because emergency workers do too?

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    Re: Walmart Workers Launch Black Friday Strike

    Quote Originally Posted by OrphanSlug View Post
    I am not a lawyer nor expert on labor laws, but suspect we are looking at this the wrong way. I would argue even though you could be right on that absolute, it would be more difficult in Free Barganing States vs. Right to Work States. Still though, the prior point stands on motivations of the employer. They may not all look at this the same way, and since Walmart has shown a prior attitide of glossing over the concern I do not see much to suggest they will not do the same this year as well.
    i agree. the most likely outcome in this scenario is that some workers will strike, some of the workers who strike will be let go or disciplined, walmart will stay open and make a ton of money, and we won't hear about it again until next year. that's the most likely outcome.

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    Re: Walmart Workers Launch Black Friday Strike

    Quote Originally Posted by timslash View Post
    https://hbr.org/2012/11/why-gray-thursday-is-a-bad-ide

    Here's good article. Why working on holidays... is bad!

    When You Force Employees to Work on Holidays, Everyone Suffers


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    Re: Walmart Workers Launch Black Friday Strike

    Quote Originally Posted by bg85 View Post
    maybe you should say what you mean then
    Maybe you should get a better grasp of the English language.

    *ps* that doesn't mean that you have to physically take hold, and "grasp" the English language, just in case you were confused.
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