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    Re: Walmart Workers Launch Black Friday Strike

    Quote Originally Posted by mike2810 View Post
    Not to derail, but should law enforcement, firefighters, emergency responders, public works, etc. also have a right to change their minds and not work on Thanksgiving.

    If consumers would not shop on bird day, stores would not be open.
    that is a really interesting question isn't it? should the public be allowed to tell its emergency workers that they have to come to work?

    i'm not a labor lawyer but i do know there have been many famous cases throughout history that have explored this question. i know that with the air traffic controllers strike a few decades ago, reagan set the precedent that they were NOT allowed to strike because it put the public safety in jeopardy.

    that is an entirely different question though, since walmart employees showing up to work does not have an effect on public safety.

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    Re: Walmart Workers Launch Black Friday Strike

    Quote Originally Posted by bg85 View Post
    and this is precisely why unions are on the decline. most employers know that the best way to keep the union out is to keep workers from every wanting one in the first place. since the unions and labor movement in general were able to achieve so many successes in the 20th century, workers now do not usually see the need for them.

    that said, the only thing that could lead us back to the exploitation of the early industrial revolution would be if everyone began to believe we didn't need unions anymore, and that they should be outlawed. the THREAT of a union is just as powerful as powerful as a union itself, and if the threat goes away, then all of the rights workers enjoy in this country (such as overtime pay and other protections) would be in danger.
    i'd argue that this is largely the case now. not to mention that some states have passed anti-labor laws which gut unions. it's kind of sad.

    most of the people who are anti-organized labor have good jobs themselves, so they don't really care. what they don't think about is that their kids and grandkids are going to be cast out into a labor market in which the worker is completely expendable. they'll be working "independent contract" jobs in which you work full time as a professional but your job has a definite end date, lower tier jobs in which you have no control over your schedule and are barely paid enough to stay off of public assistance, and a complete lack of job security. i don't want my kids to have to work in a labor market like that.

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    Re: Walmart Workers Launch Black Friday Strike

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Now where on Earth did she say let alone imply that she hates the free market in that post? Hint...nowhere.
    they she said "they can't back out of it." the word "can't" implies to me that they should should not be allowed to back out of it.

    if we FORCE workers to show up, then we're not really living in a free country are we? by saying they should be forced to work, she essentially is expressing her displeasure with the free market.

    that may not have been what she intended to say but it's the message that was delivered.

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    Re: Walmart Workers Launch Black Friday Strike

    A couple of things here

    1st those striking on black friday are stupid. Overtime + holiday pay + 25% discount, thats a good $300-400 extra bucks for even the lower wages.

    2nd black friday means sales but very little profit lots of things with negative or little profit and not enough non blitz sales to make up for it. It has become so competitive that its not worth it for the businesses anymore I could see it self imploding if people keep going crazy over it. If you want black friday to end the answer is to come to the store and buy all the negative margin items you can get your paws on, make the company really feel it and maybe they will stop.

    3rd the average walmart salary is so high is there are some many people that have been there 20+ years and have all their high benefits locked in from the good old days. I made significantly less than the average when I was an hourly overnight manager in charge of the entire store, lucky for them I had morals but thats just a big mistake waiting to happen.

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    Re: Walmart Workers Launch Black Friday Strike

    Quote Originally Posted by Superfly View Post
    Are you serious? Hell NO they can't change their minds. When you were hired at your job, did you agree to come to work everyday? Clean-shaven, and wearing clean clothes? Were you told you would have to do "blah blah blah" for your job, and would be expected to do this to the best of your ability? Of course you were. Now what would happen to you if you just decided you didn't want to follow your company's rules anymore?



    Physically? No. You can't put your hands on somebody, or kick them in the nuts if they refuse to do their job. You just fire them. It's not that difficult a concept to understand.



    Again, you are hung up on this "physically" thing -- has nothing to do with being physical. I don't know why you keep bringing that up.



    You are not making any sense. I am all for someone's right to strike if they choose to. I am also for the employer's right to fire said employee if they agree to do a job, that they then back out of doing.
    then we agree wholeheartedly! i, however, do not choose to make any judgments on the employees who are simply just trying to get the best deal they can, which is what everyone does in a free market.

    from your post, it certainly sounded like you were NOT in favor of someone's right to strike by saying "they can't back out of it."

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    Re: Walmart Workers Launch Black Friday Strike

    Quote Originally Posted by bg85 View Post
    they she said "they can't back out of it." the word "can't" implies to me that they should should not be allowed to back out of it.

    if we FORCE workers to show up, then we're not really living in a free country are we? by saying they should be forced to work, she essentially is expressing her displeasure with the free market.

    that may not have been what she intended to say but it's the message that was delivered.
    that may not have been what she intended to say but it's the message that was delivered

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    Re: Walmart Workers Launch Black Friday Strike

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    I hate shopping anyway. I'm not a normal girl. I'll admit I'd rather chew out my left eyeball than fight crowds of shoppers, but I support the right of consenting adults to do whatever the hell they choose to do.

    By the way, I do a lot of my Christmas shopping after Christmas when everything is on sale. It's wrapped in January and waiting for the next Christmas. I don't buy anything that will potentially be out of style or whatever, but I do get a lot of good things. My husband thinks I'm a loon.
    I normally hate crowds, too, but I deal with it on Thanksgiving and Black Friday. I live in a pretty small town, so it's not like there will be 50,000 people at the mall. I don't usually shop for doorbusters, anyway, and that's what draws in the crowd. I have learned to come in about an hour after the doorbusters go on sale. Then I stagger my shopping that way, all night. Doorbusters are 5 at Target? 6 and 8 at Walmart? I head to Walmart about 9, shop for a while, then head to Target, then Dicks, Michaels, etc etc etc. As long as I stagger my time to visit the stores after the doorbusters are finished, I usually have no problem. It's about as busy as a normal Friday or Saturday night.
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    Re: Walmart Workers Launch Black Friday Strike

    Quote Originally Posted by Superfly View Post
    I normally hate crowds, too, but I deal with it on Thanksgiving and Black Friday. I live in a pretty small town, so it's not like there will be 50,000 people at the mall. I don't usually shop for doorbusters, anyway, and that's what draws in the crowd. I have learned to come in about an hour after the doorbusters go on sale. Then I stagger my shopping that way, all night. Doorbusters are 5 at Target? 6 and 8 at Walmart? I head to Walmart about 9, shop for a while, then head to Target, then Dicks, Michaels, etc etc etc. As long as I stagger my time to visit the stores after the doorbusters are finished, I usually have no problem. It's about as busy as a normal Friday or Saturday night.
    That doesn't sound too bad. I could handle that...maybe. If Sean Connery was shopping with me, I'd be good to go.
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    Re: Walmart Workers Launch Black Friday Strike

    https://hbr.org/2012/11/why-gray-thursday-is-a-bad-ide

    Here's good article. Why working on holidays... is bad!

    Who actually benefits from this craziness?

    Retailers get a temporary sales lift from offering deep discounts. But opening stores on a holiday often means they pay employees time and a half. And itís unlikely that opening stores earlier makes people spend more for holiday shopping; they just spend more that day and less on other days.

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    Re: Walmart Workers Launch Black Friday Strike

    Quote Originally Posted by buck View Post
    I ask because I truly do not know... If he doesn't show up for his shifts.. Can he be fired? It makes sense that he should/could be fired, but who knows anymore.
    Of course he can be fired and should be.
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