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Most businesses destroyed in ferguson minority owned

i disagree

what i think it shows is that the black community lacks leadership

it has plenty of trouble makers, and race baiters.....but where are it's leaders?

where are those willing to invest back into their own communities?

where are those standing up for the charter schools so that their children can actually get a decent education?

and since so many of the black community think the police forces around the country are racist, why arent more black cops patrolling the streets?

You mean leadership like in Malcom X? Maybe that is our good luck.

But obviously the grand jury did not help and the unrest and damage is very, very real. So, if we did not want this outcome, we did not succeed. Did we?
 
i disagree

what i think it shows is that the black community lacks leadership

it has plenty of trouble makers, and race baiters.....but where are it's leaders?

where are those willing to invest back into their own communities?

where are those standing up for the charter schools so that their children can actually get a decent education?

and since so many of the black community think the police forces around the country are racist, why arent more black cops patrolling the streets?
They have plenty of leaders.
They are just of the wrong type.

http://www.debatepolitics.com/off-topic-discussion/209191-real-leadership-ferguson.html

If the participation rate of the above thread is any indication, no one from either side of the coin seems interested in real leadership. :shrug:
 
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You mean leadership like in Malcom X? Maybe that is our good luck.

But obviously the grand jury did not help and the unrest and damage is very, very real. So, if we did not want this outcome, we did not succeed. Did we?


we didnt succeed?

i thought the goal was to find the truth?

and imo, that has been uncovered

if it wasnt what a lot of people wanted to hear, i am sorry

but since when do we capitulate to fear and race baiting instead of the truth?
 
we didnt succeed?

i thought the goal was to find the truth?

and imo, that has been uncovered

if it wasnt what a lot of people wanted to hear, i am sorry

but since when do we capitulate to fear and race baiting instead of the truth?

The goal of truth finding may or may not have been achieved. The thing is, too many people have not been convinced that is has. And one goal must have been to avoid riots, which we did not.

The sad thing is that it was very likely, as I wrote at the beginning, that a local solution was not the way to go as it could and would not convince anyone but the people that were already convinced in any event. I would never trust the county level or even the State level on something like this. And to allow this type of issue to be dealt with by the locals is pure stupidity and asks for the kind of trouble the nation has received.
 
The goal of truth finding may or may not have been achieved. The thing is, too many people have not been convinced that is has. And one goal must have been to avoid riots, which we did not.

The sad thing is that it was very likely, as I wrote at the beginning, that a local solution was not the way to go as it could and would not convince anyone but the people that were already convinced in any event. I would never trust the county level or even the State level on something like this. And to allow this type of issue to be dealt with by the locals is pure stupidity and asks for the kind of trouble the nation has received.

the only people that could have prevented the riots are the black community themselves

and sometimes i wonder in these situations if we shouldnt just let them burn down their own neighborhoods

was the killing a tragedy? yes

could it have been prevented? yes

was it a criminal act on officer wilson's part? NO

maybe a bit more respect for the law is what needs to be taught in those communities......

i know one thing......it couldnt hurt
 
You mean leadership like in Malcom X? Maybe that is our good luck.

But obviously the grand jury did not help and the unrest and damage is very, very real. So, if we did not want this outcome, we did not succeed. Did we?
How did we fail. Brown was a criminal. Those that looted and burned are criminals. Criminals to criminal things. Big deal.
 
How did we fail. Brown was a criminal. Those that looted and burned are criminals. Criminals to criminal things. Big deal.

If you find one bad apple, you shrug and throw it away. If you find 10, you throw them away. When you find 100 or a thousand, you might want to look at the storage system.
 
If you find one bad apple, you shrug and throw it away. If you find 10, you throw them away. When you find 100 or a thousand, you might want to look at the storage system.

You may want to arrest all of them, or as many as possible and see if they were stored right there in town. Or were they imports.
 
If you find one bad apple, you shrug and throw it away. If you find 10, you throw them away. When you find 100 or a thousand, you might want to look at the storage system.

or maybe what you are calling bad, isnt

are all cops good cops.....HELL NO

are there thousands (as per your assumption) of bad cops.......HELL NO

so maybe....your definition of what makes a bad cop needs to be adjusted

cops come from the general population.......

they are good ones, and not so good ones

the academies and the testing have come a long way in weeding out those that should never wear a badge

some still get through.......i get that......and as they are found, they should face the severity of the law

officer wilson did NOTHING WRONG.......yet you consider him a bad cop i think......right?

so maybe, it is your criteria that needs to be adjusted......

and your reasoning as to what makes a bad cop....which apparently differs from most other people
 
If you find one bad apple, you shrug and throw it away. If you find 10, you throw them away. When you find 100 or a thousand, you might want to look at the storage system.

Why do you believe the democrat-caused black community has so many bad apples?
 
I watched the riots live on Fox News and CNN. I kept wondering why there were no police or National Guard. If I didnt know any better I would think that most of the people that attacked business were paid agitators. And that the Police allowed them to attack business. It seemed like the police and media wanted something to happen and when it didnt they made it happen.

The best thing that I saw was 'protesters' throwing garbage at a female African American CNN reporter. They were not throwing the garbage hard in a way that would hurt her, more in a way that said - f$%# off. See it didnt matter that she was African American, the problem was that she was a trouble maker from corporate media.

America is a clown show. The world sees this nonsense. We see your ridiculous media clowns. Your nation is an embarrassment to the global community.
 
Gotta love the idiotic corporate media reporters that are going around talking themselves up for reporting in such a dangerous environment.... They all seemed to be having great fun when I was watching. Great excitement for them. And why dont they mention that they have body guards when they are giving interviews about how very brave they are?
 
Why do you believe the democrat-caused black community has so many bad apples?

That is a good question and to the heart of the matter. Why do fresh imegrants from Africa do better at school and in business than our home grown article? Maybe we should work on improving their performance. After all is said and done, you see, they could be an asset to the community, if we could find a way to organize the country such that more finished school and university; were successful in jobs. We as a community are the losers as it stands, as we are allowing our communal economy to wast its human capital.
 
That is a good question and to the heart of the matter. Why do fresh imegrants from Africa do better at school and in business than our home grown article? Maybe we should work on improving their performance. After all is said and done, you see, they could be an asset to the community, if we could find a way to organize the country such that more finished school and university; were successful in jobs. We as a community are the losers as it stands, as we are allowing our communal economy to wast its human capital.

I think the first step is to set a date certain when we rescind much of the Left's welfare state. And no more community organizing. Agitation and propaganda are used to tear down, not to build up. It is an instrument of subjugation of the very people it claims to support.
 
I think the first step is to set a date certain when we rescind much of the Left's welfare state. And no more community organizing. Agitation and propaganda are used to tear down, not to build up. It is an instrument of subjugation of the very people it claims to support.

That requires two things: 1) getting a supermajority (of politically suicidal folks) in both houses of congress and 2) being willing to own the ensuing riots on a scale not seen since the US civil war. How many politicians would be willing to risk being blamed for those riots? The "safety net" is here to stay (and growing) since our congress critters see that it is essential to keeping them in office. Some may talk about "welfare reform" but none will ever do anything about it - wasn't it under Clinton that we supposedly ended welfare as we knew it? We now have welfare as we grew it instead.
 
That requires two things: 1) getting a supermajority (of politically suicidal folks) in both houses of congress and 2) being willing to own the ensuing riots on a scale not seen since the US civil war. How many politicians would be willing to risk being blamed for those riots? The "safety net" is here to stay (and growing) since our congress critters see that it is essential to keeping them in office. Some may talk about "welfare reform" but none will ever do anything about it - wasn't it under Clinton that we supposedly ended welfare as we knew it? We now have welfare as we grew it instead.

I suppose it is far easier to grow several sets of permanent underclasses. We do need people to make our beds and pluck our chickens, after all.

If we cannot be honest with what the Left has done and reverse it then the nation is already lost so let the war come.
 
I think the first step is to set a date certain when we rescind much of the Left's welfare state. And no more community organizing. Agitation and propaganda are used to tear down, not to build up. It is an instrument of subjugation of the very people it claims to support.

Maybe. Maybe not. When I did research on this a good while ago, it did not look like we really knew what to do. The only thing that was certain was that we were not doing a very good job. But you re very probably right, when you point out that social welfare could be one of the driving factors and making the problems worse. This is often the case with well intended actions and I have seen negative impacts from social programs in a number of situations in and outside the US.
 
social welfare is only a small part

for some reason, the black community has gone away from the family

way too many single parent households

that leaves the kids alone....with mom in a lot of cases working two jobs to keep them fed

the problem is a large percentage of young black men are not living up to their responsibilities

maybe they werent taught that they needed to......maybe it is the new norm.....i dunno

and too many are out hustling on the street instead of in school trying to educate themselves

my question is where are the black community leaders?

not the malcolm x's.....or the race baiters.....but the businessmen who have made it out

the bankers, the lawyers, the doctors who can set a great example

where are they, and why arent they in there telling a different story than the Jesse jacksons, or the Al sharptons

It seems like the victim card continuously keeps being played......it is never the fault of the individual themselves
 
social welfare is only a small part

for some reason, the black community has gone away from the family

way too many single parent households

that leaves the kids alone....with mom in a lot of cases working two jobs to keep them fed

the problem is a large percentage of young black men are not living up to their responsibilities

maybe they werent taught that they needed to......maybe it is the new norm.....i dunno

and too many are out hustling on the street instead of in school trying to educate themselves

my question is where are the black community leaders?

not the malcolm x's.....or the race baiters.....but the businessmen who have made it out

the bankers, the lawyers, the doctors who can set a great example

where are they, and why arent they in there telling a different story than the Jesse jacksons, or the Al sharptons

It seems like the victim card continuously keeps being played......it is never the fault of the individual themselves

All of those bad outcomes are driven by the way we provide welfare. A single mom with an undisciplined brood is more valuable to politicians and therefore receive greater benefits than that same family with a father married to a mother. Or at least that is the way the rules used to be written. I am sure someone will investigate and if it has changed will call me a liar. Such is life.
 
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