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    Illegal drunk drivers, sex abusers, drug dealers, gun offenders, no problem.

    If the Washington Examiner has it right in this news story, President Obama's newly ordered immigration policy will give top priority to deporting illegals who are involved in terrorism. Really? You mean that wasn't a priority before?

    What the new immigration policy won't do is consider illegals who are convicted of drunk driving, sex abuse, drug dealing, and gun offenses as justification for immediate deportation. The offender apparently must be convicted of a lot of these kinds of crimes before he will be considered unworthy to remain in this country.

    So if I'm reading this right, the illegals are no longer required to obey many of our laws in order to remain here. All they have to do is agree to pay their fair share of taxes, which of course most won't have to do as they will be immediately eligible for all manner of public assistance at our expense.

    I think I'll denounce my citizenship, move somewhere else, and come back as an illegal. Seems to be a better deal, yes?

    The Department of Homeland Security has just released new "Policies for the Apprehension, Detention, and Removal of Undocumented Immigrants." Designed to fill in the details after President Obama's announcement that at least four million currently illegal immigrants will be given work permits, Social Security numbers and protection from deportation, the DHS guidelines are instructions for the nation's immigration and border security officers as they administer the president's directive.

    The new priorities are striking. On the tough side, the president wants U.S. immigration authorities to go after terrorists, felons, and new illegal border crossers. On the not-so-tough side, the administration views convicted drunk drivers, sex abusers, drug dealers, and gun offenders as second-level enforcement priorities. An illegal immigrant could spend up to a year in prison for a violent crime and still not be a top removal priority for the Obama administration. . . .

    New DHS immigration rules: Drunk drivers, sex abusers, drug dealers, gun offenders not top deportation priorities | WashingtonExaminer.com
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    Re: Illegal drunk drivers, sex abusers, drug dealers, gun offenders, no problem.

    Uhhhh...

    "Aliens described in this priority , who are also not described in Priority 1, represent
    the second-highest priority for apprehension and removal. Resources should be dedicated
    accordingly to the removal of the following:
    (a) aliens convicted of three or more misdemeanor offenses, other than minor
    traffic offenses or state or local offenses for which an essential element
    3was the alien's immigration status, provided the offenses arise out of
    three separate incidents;
    (b) aliens convicted of a "significant misdemeanor," which for these purposes
    is an offense of domestic violence ;
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    sexual abuse or exploitation;
    burglary; un lawful possession or use of a firearm; drug distribution or
    trafficking; or driving under the influence; or if not an offense listed
    above, one for which the individual was sentenced to time in custody of
    90 days or more (the sentence must involve time to be served in custody,
    and does not include a suspended sentence);
    (c) aliens apprehended anywhere in the United States after unlawfully
    entering or re-entering the United States and who cannot establish to the
    satisfaction of an immigration officer that they have been physically
    present in the United States continuously since January 1, 2014 ; and
    (d) aliens who, in the judgment of an ICE Field Office Director, USCIS
    District Director, or USCIS Service Center Director, have significantly
    abused the visa orvisa waiver programs."


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    Re: Illegal drunk drivers, sex abusers, drug dealers, gun offenders, no problem.

    Just simple math would indicate that deporting "the worst of the worst", even at a rate of 400K/year, would take decades to exhaust the remaining (estimated) 15 million illegals already here even if we assumed no more will come (or stay) in the country. One tiny problem is that a smart country may simply deny (re)entry to those "worst of the worst" that we seek to deport. Expect a boom in the business of "community organizers" generating proof of residency receipts to help illegals become legal.
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    Re: Illegal drunk drivers, sex abusers, drug dealers, gun offenders, no problem.

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    If the Washington Examiner has it right in this news story, President Obama's newly ordered immigration policy will give top priority to deporting illegals who are involved in terrorism. Really? You mean that wasn't a priority before?

    What the new immigration policy won't do is consider illegals who are convicted of drunk driving, sex abuse, drug dealing, and gun offenses as justification for immediate deportation. The offender apparently must be convicted of a lot of these kinds of crimes before he will be considered unworthy to remain in this country.

    So if I'm reading this right, the illegals are no longer required to obey many of our laws in order to remain here. All they have to do is agree to pay their fair share of taxes, which of course most won't have to do as they will be immediately eligible for all manner of public assistance at our expense.

    I think I'll denounce my citizenship, move somewhere else, and come back as an illegal. Seems to be a better deal, yes?
    The Department of Homeland Security has just released new "Policies for the Apprehension, Detention, and Removal of Undocumented Immigrants." Designed to fill in the details after President Obama's announcement that at least four million currently illegal immigrants will be given work permits, Social Security numbers and protection from deportation, the DHS guidelines are instructions for the nation's immigration and border security officers as they administer the president's directive.

    The new priorities are striking. On the tough side, the president wants U.S. immigration authorities to go after terrorists, felons, and new illegal border crossers. On the not-so-tough side, the administration views convicted drunk drivers, sex abusers, drug dealers, and gun offenders as second-level enforcement priorities. An illegal immigrant could spend up to a year in prison for a violent crime and still not be a top removal priority for the Obama administration. . . .

    New DHS immigration rules: Drunk drivers, sex abusers, drug dealers, gun offenders not top deportation priorities | WashingtonExaminer.com
    You contention is that deporting "Drunk drivers, sex abusers, drug dealers, gun offenders" is more important than deporting terrorists and felons?

    Why shouldn't "misdemeanants" be in the #2 spot behind terrorists and felons?

    Should "misdemeanants" be in the #1 spot or the #3 spot?

    Or would you just lump all of the various groups together and call that "prioritizing"?
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: Illegal drunk drivers, sex abusers, drug dealers, gun offenders, no problem.

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    You contention is that deporting "Drunk drivers, sex abusers, drug dealers, gun offenders" is more important than deporting terrorists?
    Why shouldn't "misdemeanants" be in the #2 spot behind terrorists?
    Should "misdemeanants" be in the #1 spot or the #3 spot?

    Or would you just lump all of the various groups together and call that "prioritizing"?
    I would use the fact that they are in custody and convicted to prioritize their removal. Why use resources to catch them instead of to deport them?
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    Re: Illegal drunk drivers, sex abusers, drug dealers, gun offenders, no problem.

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    I would use the fact that they are in custody and convicted to prioritize their removal. Why use resources to catch them instead of to deport them?
    It all depends on the conviction.
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    Re: Illegal drunk drivers, sex abusers, drug dealers, gun offenders, no problem.

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    It all depends on the conviction.
    Maybe to you and Obama.
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    Re: Illegal drunk drivers, sex abusers, drug dealers, gun offenders, no problem.

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    I would use the fact that they are in custody and convicted to prioritize their removal. Why use resources to catch them instead of to deport them?
    You're in the make them all #1 priority camp.
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: Illegal drunk drivers, sex abusers, drug dealers, gun offenders, no problem.

    What good is deporting bad guys if they simply come right back across our porous boarder. I think the guy that killed those two cops in California had been deported 3 times.

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    Re: Illegal drunk drivers, sex abusers, drug dealers, gun offenders, no problem.

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    You're in the make them all #1 priority camp.
    Actually, more in the let the states decide camp and also feel that the EAD card should be job specific but transferable with an employer sponsor.
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