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Illegal drunk drivers, sex abusers, drug dealers, gun offenders, no problem.

And what if the "home" of some these illegals is so bad that the entire reason they came here was to save their life?
They'd arrive here and so state, requesting political asylum.

Poverty, however, is not a qualification for political asylum.

The 22-23 million illegal aliens in America today form just a tiny fraction of those in other countries who are in similar economic situations.

That overwhelming great majority of them chose to stay in their country, to fight for change, etc. or follow the rules and wait their turn in line -- they chose not to come to another country and be criminals.
 
A fair trial should not be a privilege available only to those who can pay for it.

No, nothing to do with being able to pay.

Has everything to do with the difference between being a US citizen not.

Far less an obligation for those who wander across the unsecured national border, overstay their visas, whatever.
 
ISIS beheads people believing other than they do or want you to, or for political purposes.
We certainly aren't talking about that. We are not talking about beheading anyone.

Rather surprised that you've already exhausted your responses.
I admit, I'm coming at this with a little bit of devil's advocate perspective, but still. Maybe there's something to the simplification idea here.

I invoke ISIS not for it's beheadings, but for their cruel and unmerciful idea of justice that has no tolerance for leniency.

Not all of the undocumented illegals crossed the border because they were motivated by malice or a desire to harm Americans, many are motivated simply by the desire to stay alive and or care for their families.
 
The new priorities are striking. On the tough side, the president wants U.S. immigration authorities to go after terrorists, felons, and new illegal border crossers.
Am I missing something here?

Illegal aliens trespass, forge false or steal identities, obtain employment in violation of federal statutes, violate U.S. customs, commit related frauds, and steal jobs, classrooms, living-space, road-space and other resources from American citizens and legal immigrants.

Some of their crimes I mentioned are felonies.

It seems that the President is getting mighty selective as to which felonies are felonies.

Prosecutorial discretion?

I don't know.

It sounds more like dereliction of duty.
 
They'd arrive here and so state, requesting political asylum.

Poverty, however, is not a qualification for political asylum.

The 22-23 million illegal aliens in America today form just a tiny fraction of those in other countries who are in similar economic situations.

That overwhelming great majority of them chose to stay in their country, to fight for change, etc. or follow the rules and wait their turn in line -- they chose not to come to another country and be criminals.

Let's be honest. They are seeking economic asylum.

They want what we have, and don't want to, or can't, go through the proper immigration process to join our country.

They are purposefully violating the very country that they want to be part of, which I don't think is a way to endear yourself to your newly sought after homeland.
 
I invoke ISIS not for it's beheadings, but for their cruel and unmerciful idea of justice that has no tolerance for leniency.

Not all of the undocumented illegals crossed the border because they were motivated by malice or a desire to harm Americans, many are motivated simply by the desire to stay alive and or care for their families.

Once again you show your lack of education on the issue. That last is nothing more than a bull**** excuse you're bought into because it somehow makes you feel more evolved. Btw, do you know how much coyotes charge them per head to bring them here?
 
I invoke ISIS not for it's beheadings, but for their cruel and unmerciful idea of justice that has no tolerance for leniency.

Not all of the undocumented illegals crossed the border because they were motivated by malice or a desire to harm Americans, many are motivated simply by the desire to stay alive and or care for their families.

See #105
 
Let's be honest. They are seeking economic asylum.

They want what we have, and don't want to, or can't, go through the proper immigration process to join our country.

They are purposefully violating the very country that they want to be part of, which I don't think is a way to endear yourself to your newly sought after homeland.
If they were truly "seeking" economic asylum, they'd apply for it.

Then, they'd have to show that they are being specifically singled out to be prevented by their government from earning a living.

How many illegal aliens have attempted to do that?

Exactly.

What you're saying in your last sentence is true, and that's one of the key reasons why the significant majority of Americans since polled today are opposed to Obamnesty.
 
Once again you show your lack of education on the issue. That last is nothing more than a bull**** excuse you're bought into because it somehow makes you feel more evolved. Btw, do you know how much coyotes charge them per head to bring them here?
Exactly -- the coyote charge!

It ain't cheap!

For many, it's months, if not a year's salary from where they come.

How did they save up for this?

How did they feed their kids on the journey?

Perhaps the "abject poverty homelessness" meme we keep hearing about illegals ain't necessarily so.

Then again, maybe they're being bankrolled by those who contract with them to then send a portion of their U.S. earnings back to them.

Over time, it could be quite the investment!
 
Once again you show your lack of education on the issue. That last is nothing more than a bull**** excuse you're bought into because it somehow makes you feel more evolved. Btw, do you know how much coyotes charge them per head to bring them here?

Then here is a hint for you: go after the coyotes.

I refuse to surrender my morals. The day I do is the day I consider taking a 100 for fall off a building.

So there is my position. Destroy it all you want.
 
Your beef is with the parents of these kids.

Our criminal justice system does not allow criminals to hide behind their children as a shield and demand immunity from conviction and sentencing.

If we did that, there'd be no justice for all.

The children's beef isn't with the American justice system .. it's with their parents.
And if we let people be excused from conviction and sentencing because they hide behind the shield of "I have kids -- you can't do this to me!", then everyone with a child could escape justice.

The beef these children have .. is with their parents, and no one else.
I have often thought this, and I agree. Instead of pleading for the media, "Don't you understand my situation?", they should be asking their own parents, "Why did you do this to me?"
 
If they were truly "seeking" economic asylum, they'd apply for it.

Then, they'd have to show that they are being specifically singled out to be prevented by their government from earning a living.

How many illegal aliens have attempted to do that?

Exactly.

What you're saying in your last sentence is true, and that's one of the key reasons why the significant majority of Americans since polled today are opposed to Obamnesty.

True. 'Obamnesty', as you call it, is not popular with the electorate, and polls very low. What's polling high is congressional legislation to 'fix' immigration. This latest action from Obama has created a situation where it is nearly impossible for Republicans to vote for it, and probably has shelved real immigration reform another 10 years. So much so for his claimed caring about immigrants. All he cares about is politics, and he has a very cynical and narcissistic approach to it.

OK. So it's not economic asylum. What is it then?

What is the great draw of the US that pulls so many of them across dangerous lands, possibly losing their lives, paying off the coyotes a huge pile of money (relative to them) to come to the US illegally, possibly face deportation if caught, and later, possible separation from their kids.

If we can identify that, and turn it down, perhaps they'd be less inclined to go through all that to get here illegally? Perhaps they'd go through the legal immigration process?
 
I have often thought this, and I agree. Instead of pleading for the media, "Don't you understand my situation?", they should be asking their own parents, "Why did you do this to me?"
It really is the truth of the matter.

Those who are whining "what about their kids?" would do well to keep in mind that the parents knew what they were doing all along, that they were violating quite a number of U.S. laws that could most definitely get them and their children deported if they were caught.

It's hard, though, for kids to get mad at their parents, as parents can be like gods to their kids. It's easier to transfer the blame to someone whom they don't care about as much or whose been vilified or is physically/emotionally safer to get angry at.

Also, those who whine about "it's wrong for our government to force these kids to go with their parents" need to stop and consider whether or not they'd whine if the parents themselves made the choice to leave and, understandably, required their kids to go with them. Would they then be angry at the parents?

I think there's a lot of transference and displacement going on here by those who are so whining.

It's the victim-mentality projected to the max.
 
It really is the truth of the matter.

Those who are whining "what about their kids?" would do well to keep in mind that the parents knew what they were doing all along, that they were violating quite a number of U.S. laws that could most definitely get them and their children deported if they were caught.

It's hard, though, for kids to get mad at their parents, as parents can be like gods to their kids. It's easier to transfer the blame to someone whom they don't care about as much or whose been vilified or is physically/emotionally safer to get angry at.

Also, those who whine about "it's wrong for our government to force these kids to go with their parents" need to stop and consider whether or not they'd whine if the parents themselves made the choice to leave and, understandably, required their kids to go with them. Would they then be angry at the parents?

I think there's a lot of transference and displacement going on here by those who are so whining.

It's the victim-mentality projected to the max.


 
Then here is a hint for you: go after the coyotes.

I refuse to surrender my morals. The day I do is the day I consider taking a 100 for fall off a building.

So there is my position. Destroy it all you want.

And what morals do you cherish that require you buy lies to assuage them?
 
video=youtube;YNwo0SUUSSw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNwo0SUUSSw[/video
Your video is meaningless.

You're attempting to do what Obama did -- play into the bleeding heart via appeal to the victim-mentality mindset .. void of relevant facts.

Thus you've made no rational cogent argument in support of your point.

You're simply emotionalizing, and that prevents you from seeing the truth.

It's not about the U.S. criminal justice system.

It's about the parents, the illegal aliens who committed crimes knowing if they'd get caught what the penalties would be for them and how it would affect their children.

Your upset is simply misplaced.
 
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