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    Re: Illegal drunk drivers, sex abusers, drug dealers, gun offenders, no problem.

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    It's actually well known by anybody who is intellectually honest and pays attention to the world around them. No background check, regardless of type or purpose, is 100%. To infer that others can be while the one we want to criticize is not is disingenuous.

    Really, to criticize anything because it won't be 100% perfect is disingenuous.
    So on what level should a suggestion that a background check could be a reasonable way to ferret out "undesirables" be placed on the disingenuous scale?

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    Re: Illegal drunk drivers, sex abusers, drug dealers, gun offenders, no problem.

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    What good does a criminal background check do if it doesn't result in deportation for many of those who have committed what would be serious offenses for legal citizens?
    But it does.

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    Re: Illegal drunk drivers, sex abusers, drug dealers, gun offenders, no problem.

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    This is true. The Carter administration ordered strict rules about documentation required for employment to prevent illegals from working in the USA. We employers were required to obtain three different forms of documentation one of which could be a utility bill or something to prove residence. The effect was a booming cottage industry for phony documentation. Ditto when the same thing happened in the Reagan administration.

    Working work comp claims, I ran across numerous illegals who were using three or four different social security numbers--one using six different social security numbers, none of which were theirs. Those states, including ours, who issue drivers licenses to illegals--and these look little different from those issued to citizens--compounded the problem. And now the Obama administration wants to issue social security numbers to illegals which will make it virtually impossible to weed the illegals out from those who are citizens.

    You can pretty well bet that the next step will be to make it a civil rights violation to refuse to hire an illegal. And at that point the benefits and value in citizenship will have vanished.
    You are undeniably, irrefutably, spot on, and 100% correct.

    For example:

    Not Legal but Need a License? No Sweat - Los Angeles Times


    There won't be 5 million illegals who have been given a reprieve under the President's unilateral action, there will be every illegal who will be able to find the means to be included.

    It's absurd to think these illegals haven't been sophisticated enough to scam their way around this country with false documents and other fraudulent activity. I've seen remarkable documents that have proven to be completely fake. Typically after the fact, and after all reasonable care.

    Typically, the first time my company becomes aware of fraud is when we receive a letter from the SSA questioning a SS number from an employee. When we call the employee in and let them know they need to get the issue cleared up, they are never seen again. On to scam the next employer, putting that company, and all it's legal employees, at risk.

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    Re: Illegal drunk drivers, sex abusers, drug dealers, gun offenders, no problem.

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    If the Washington Examiner has it right in this news story, President Obama's newly ordered immigration policy will give top priority to deporting illegals who are involved in terrorism. Really? You mean that wasn't a priority before?

    What the new immigration policy won't do is consider illegals who are convicted of drunk driving, sex abuse, drug dealing, and gun offenses as justification for immediate deportation. The offender apparently must be convicted of a lot of these kinds of crimes before he will be considered unworthy to remain in this country.

    So if I'm reading this right, the illegals are no longer required to obey many of our laws in order to remain here. All they have to do is agree to pay their fair share of taxes, which of course most won't have to do as they will be immediately eligible for all manner of public assistance at our expense.

    I think I'll denounce my citizenship, move somewhere else, and come back as an illegal. Seems to be a better deal, yes?

    The Department of Homeland Security has just released new "Policies for the Apprehension, Detention, and Removal of Undocumented Immigrants." Designed to fill in the details after President Obama's announcement that at least four million currently illegal immigrants will be given work permits, Social Security numbers and protection from deportation, the DHS guidelines are instructions for the nation's immigration and border security officers as they administer the president's directive.

    The new priorities are striking. On the tough side, the president wants U.S. immigration authorities to go after terrorists, felons, and new illegal border crossers. On the not-so-tough side, the administration views convicted drunk drivers, sex abusers, drug dealers, and gun offenders as second-level enforcement priorities. An illegal immigrant could spend up to a year in prison for a violent crime and still not be a top removal priority for the Obama administration. . . .

    New DHS immigration rules: Drunk drivers, sex abusers, drug dealers, gun offenders not top deportation priorities | WashingtonExaminer.com
    Oh please don't de-nounce your citizenship... but you are welcome to renounce your citzenship and leave anytime you wish.


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    Re: Illegal drunk drivers, sex abusers, drug dealers, gun offenders, no problem.

    Quote Originally Posted by TeleKat View Post
    But it does.
    Not if you believe the rules as indicated in the OP.
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    Re: Illegal drunk drivers, sex abusers, drug dealers, gun offenders, no problem.

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    You are undeniably, irrefutably, spot on, and 100% correct.

    For example:

    Not Legal but Need a License? No Sweat - Los Angeles Times


    There won't be 5 million illegals who have been given a reprieve under the President's unilateral action, there will be every illegal who will be able to find the means to be included.

    It's absurd to think these illegals haven't been sophisticated enough to scam their way around this country with false documents and other fraudulent activity. I've seen remarkable documents that have proven to be completely fake. Typically after the fact, and after all reasonable care.

    Typically, the first time my company becomes aware of fraud is when we receive a letter from the SSA questioning a SS number from an employee. When we call the employee in and let them know they need to get the issue cleared up, they are never seen again. On to scam the next employer, putting that company, and all it's legal employees, at risk.
    In my immediately former business--in addition to working work comp claims--I had occasion to see the employment records of hundreds of businesses and that includes the quarterly SUTA/FUTA reports that list the names and social security numbers of all the employees working for a business. On a number of these I would see employees listed but no social security number. Sometimes I would have occasion to casually inquire about that to the employer and would be told that the guy or gal said he/she didn't know the number and would get it to the employer. They almost never did though and a lot of those missing numbers, as well as the phony number, were NEVER questioned by the SSA. The few who were questioned followed by the employer asking the employee again for the number generally resulted, as you said, in the employee disappearing.

    So many of the phony numbers are actually somebody else's actual number and who ever is doing data entry at the SSA just picks up the number and doesn't bother to check it against a name. So most never get caught. As long as the illegal employee stays out of trouble or doesn't get sick, it could actually be a net benefit who whoever's account is getting credit for those taxes--UNLESS the IRS finds out that no income taxes were being paid on it. But if the illegal employee gets caught breaking the law and/or gets medical treatment that could go on a permanent record somewhere, etc. all that could be going on somebody else's permanent record, could affect credit scores, etc. It is a form of identity theft that could have serious consequences for whomever's identity is being used.
    "I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it." --Benjamin Franklin 1776

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    Re: Illegal drunk drivers, sex abusers, drug dealers, gun offenders, no problem.

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Uhhhh...


    "Aliens described in this priority , who are also not described in Priority 1, represent
    the second-highest priority for apprehension and removal. Resources should be dedicated
    accordingly to the removal of the following:
    (a) aliens convicted of three or more misdemeanor offenses, other than minor
    traffic offenses or state or local offenses for which an essential element
    3was the alien's immigration status, provided the offenses arise out of
    three separate incidents;
    (b) aliens convicted of a "significant misdemeanor," which for these purposes
    is an offense of domestic violence ;
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    sexual abuse or exploitation;
    burglary; un lawful possession or use of a firearm; drug distribution or
    trafficking; or driving under the influence; or if not an offense listed
    above, one for which the individual was sentenced to time in custody of
    90 days or more (the sentence must involve time to be served in custody,
    and does not include a suspended sentence);
    (c) aliens apprehended anywhere in the United States after unlawfully
    entering or re-entering the United States and who cannot establish to the
    satisfaction of an immigration officer that they have been physically
    present in the United States continuously since January 1, 2014 ; and
    (d) aliens who, in the judgment of an ICE Field Office Director, USCIS
    District Director, or USCIS Service Center Director, have significantly
    abused the visa orvisa waiver programs."


    Priorities, priorities, priorities.



    We don't have enough resources to kick 'em all out at once so we have to prioritize.

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    Re: Illegal drunk drivers, sex abusers, drug dealers, gun offenders, no problem.

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    What if they have family that are legal American citizens? If a mother is an illegal and is deported, what would happen to her children that are legal us citizens, especially if the kids are underage and cannot care for themselves?
    The child naturally goes with the parent until that child can care for themselves.

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    Re: Illegal drunk drivers, sex abusers, drug dealers, gun offenders, no problem.

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    And sending them back to a country like el salvidore or Honduras is essentially a death sentence.

    There is no justice in that.
    Where did you get that idea?

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    Re: Illegal drunk drivers, sex abusers, drug dealers, gun offenders, no problem.

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Don't you get tired of asking the same questions expecting the answers to be different? That the definition of something, what is it again?

    Look, if the child is a citizen by birth and the parents are deported, and no relatives who are citizens step forward, they are returned with their parents. They may apply for return to the US and citizenship here when they are 16.
    The child would not need to apply for anything as a US citizen. They can come back at any time.

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