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    Re: Illegal drunk drivers, sex abusers, drug dealers, gun offenders, no problem.

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    Apparently, we'd $285 billion to deport all of the people eligible for deportation.
    Since that money is not in the budget, someone somewhere must make a decision about which cases receive priority treatment.


    If you don't like it, then cough up billions more so that there's not a need for priorities.
    That priority should be better securing the border, requiring universal use of E-verify for any W-2 or 1099 employment and cooperating with state/local law enforcement who have a much better idea of priorities since most crimes are not federal.
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    Re: Illegal drunk drivers, sex abusers, drug dealers, gun offenders, no problem.

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    Can't let everyone who wants in, in.
    Can't afford endless process taking an endless amount of time for each case.
    Those who aren't here legally need to go back to where they came from.
    Those who are here legally should be afforded the legal protects that come with legal status.

    What's needed is a set of simple, easy to follow, set of defined situations with defined responses and obligations.

    What's the legal requirement that each illegal alien has to have an immigration court hearing with an immigration lawyer representation?
    Isn't that the most costly of all possible scenarios?
    Are there no other possible scenarios that take less time and less expense, and still comply with the requirements?

    Isn't it fact that there are thousands or even tens or hundreds of thousands that are illegally entering the country every year? How do we effectively deal with that? As I think it's generally accepted that we aren't right now.
    One big problem is determining the nation of origin and the next getting that nation to take "the worst of the worst" back. To deport requires cooperation and a viable alternative other than maximum security prison for life.
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    Re: Illegal drunk drivers, sex abusers, drug dealers, gun offenders, no problem.

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    One big problem is determining the nation of origin and the next getting that nation to take "the worst of the worst" back. To deport requires cooperation and a viable alternative other than maximum security prison for life.
    Maximum security prison for life in the US for an illegal alien? Where where the crimes committed? Here, then yes. I guess so.
    If in the country of origin, isn't there an extradition treat for that?
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    Re: Illegal drunk drivers, sex abusers, drug dealers, gun offenders, no problem.

    Lock down the Mexican border with troops (then build an Israeli style wall - cost small fraction of one year's defence budget), declare Amnesty and offer 3 year work visas/to apply for citizenship for all illegal aliens without a criminal record who register within 60 days of the border lock down (all others immediately deported when found), after 60 days - all illegals (when found) immediately deported no matter what their excuse and no matter how long they have been in America.

    BTW - all those given Amnesty who are found before they gain citizenship of housing illegal aliens after the 60 days are immediately deported WITH their non-American born children/dependants.

    Enough of this compromise crap or this 'no amnesty' nonsense. These illegals were practically invited by business to come to America AND government could have locked the border down long ago if they had really wanted to - they didn't. It's time these people stopped living in limbo (many of whom are collecting more and more welfare at taxpayers expense) - give those with no criminal record a chance to stay and everyone else is tossed. And if the latter group swears they will be killed if they are forced to go home, tough. Go through proper channels next time.

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    Re: Illegal drunk drivers, sex abusers, drug dealers, gun offenders, no problem.

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    Lock down the Mexican border with troops (then build an Israeli style wall - cost small fraction of one year's defence budget), declare Amnesty and offer 3 year work visas/to apply for citizenship for all illegal aliens without a criminal record who register within 60 days of the border lock down (all others immediately deported when found), after 60 days - all illegals (when found) immediately deported no matter what their excuse and no matter how long they have been in America.

    BTW - all those given Amnesty who are found before they gain citizenship of housing illegal aliens after the 60 days are immediately deported WITH their non-American born children/dependants.

    Enough of this compromise crap or this 'no amnesty' nonsense. These illegals were practically invited by business to come to America AND government could have locked the border down long ago if they had really wanted to - they didn't. It's time these people stopped living in limbo (many of whom are collecting more and more welfare at taxpayers expense) - give those with no criminal record a chance to stay and everyone else is tossed. And if the latter group swears they will be killed if they are forced to go home, tough. Go through proper channels next time.
    Amnesty with a penalty and a path to citizenship polls very high, so would be agreeable to many, and I'm sure wouldn't be agreeable to others (well that's always the case).

    I too would be drawn to a clear cut, simple, and easy to understand set of 'rules' regarding various situation's disposition.

    Enough is enough already. Just as long as this is the last time this problem has a recurrence.
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    Re: Illegal drunk drivers, sex abusers, drug dealers, gun offenders, no problem.

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    If the Washington Examiner has it right in this news story, President Obama's newly ordered immigration policy will give top priority to deporting illegals who are involved in terrorism. Really? You mean that wasn't a priority before?

    What the new immigration policy won't do is consider illegals who are convicted of drunk driving, sex abuse, drug dealing, and gun offenses as justification for immediate deportation. The offender apparently must be convicted of a lot of these kinds of crimes before he will be considered unworthy to remain in this country.

    So if I'm reading this right, the illegals are no longer required to obey many of our laws in order to remain here. All they have to do is agree to pay their fair share of taxes, which of course most won't have to do as they will be immediately eligible for all manner of public assistance at our expense.

    I think I'll denounce my citizenship, move somewhere else, and come back as an illegal. Seems to be a better deal, yes?

    The Department of Homeland Security has just released new "Policies for the Apprehension, Detention, and Removal of Undocumented Immigrants." Designed to fill in the details after President Obama's announcement that at least four million currently illegal immigrants will be given work permits, Social Security numbers and protection from deportation, the DHS guidelines are instructions for the nation's immigration and border security officers as they administer the president's directive.

    The new priorities are striking. On the tough side, the president wants U.S. immigration authorities to go after terrorists, felons, and new illegal border crossers. On the not-so-tough side, the administration views convicted drunk drivers, sex abusers, drug dealers, and gun offenders as second-level enforcement priorities. An illegal immigrant could spend up to a year in prison for a violent crime and still not be a top removal priority for the Obama administration. . . .

    New DHS immigration rules: Drunk drivers, sex abusers, drug dealers, gun offenders not top deportation priorities | WashingtonExaminer.com
    No, you're not reading it right. One of the requirements for this "deal" (as the President put it) is that you have to pass a criminal background check.

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    Re: Illegal drunk drivers, sex abusers, drug dealers, gun offenders, no problem.

    Quote Originally Posted by TeleKat View Post
    No, you're not reading it right. One of the requirements for this "deal" (as the President put it) is that you have to pass a criminal background check.
    With no accurate way to prove who any one of these illegals are, how would a background check accomplish anything? There is a massive industry that provides any identity an illegal wants. Just as the "prove you've been here 5 years or more" folly will result in every illegal in the nation qualifying with invented documentation, the relevant agencies will have no ability to check the veracity of the supplied proof.

    I suggest this is well known by the Obama Administration.

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    Re: Illegal drunk drivers, sex abusers, drug dealers, gun offenders, no problem.

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    With no accurate way to prove who any one of these illegals are, how would a background check accomplish anything? There is a massive industry that provides any identity an illegal wants. Just as the "prove you've been here 5 years or more" folly will result in every illegal in the nation qualifying with invented documentation, the relevant agencies will have no ability to check the veracity of the supplied proof.

    I suggest this is well known by the Obama Administration.
    It's actually well known by anybody who is intellectually honest and pays attention to the world around them. No background check, regardless of type or purpose, is 100%. To infer that others can be while the one we want to criticize is not is disingenuous.

    Really, to criticize anything because it won't be 100% perfect is disingenuous.
    If you claim sexual harassment to be wrong, yet you defend anyone on your side for any reason,
    then you are a hypocrite and everything you say on the matter is just babble.

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    Re: Illegal drunk drivers, sex abusers, drug dealers, gun offenders, no problem.

    Quote Originally Posted by TeleKat View Post
    No, you're not reading it right. One of the requirements for this "deal" (as the President put it) is that you have to pass a criminal background check.
    What good does a criminal background check do if it doesn't result in deportation for many of those who have committed what would be serious offenses for legal citizens?
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    Re: Illegal drunk drivers, sex abusers, drug dealers, gun offenders, no problem.

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    With no accurate way to prove who any one of these illegals are, how would a background check accomplish anything? There is a massive industry that provides any identity an illegal wants. Just as the "prove you've been here 5 years or more" folly will result in every illegal in the nation qualifying with invented documentation, the relevant agencies will have no ability to check the veracity of the supplied proof.

    I suggest this is well known by the Obama Administration.
    This is true. The Carter administration ordered strict rules about documentation required for employment to prevent illegals from working in the USA. We employers were required to obtain three different forms of documentation one of which could be a utility bill or something to prove residence. The effect was a booming cottage industry for phony documentation. Ditto when the same thing happened in the Reagan administration.

    Working work comp claims, I ran across numerous illegals who were using three or four different social security numbers--one using six different social security numbers, none of which were theirs. Those states, including ours, who issue drivers licenses to illegals--and these look little different from those issued to citizens--compounded the problem. And now the Obama administration wants to issue social security numbers to illegals which will make it virtually impossible to weed the illegals out from those who are citizens.

    You can pretty well bet that the next step will be to make it a civil rights violation to refuse to hire an illegal. And at that point the benefits and value in citizenship will have vanished.
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