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    Re: Illegal drunk drivers, sex abusers, drug dealers, gun offenders, no problem.

    Now, stop your spinning aimlessly for a moment and maybe answer the question.

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    And what morals do you cherish that require you buy lies to assuage them?

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    Re: Illegal drunk drivers, sex abusers, drug dealers, gun offenders, no problem.

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Let's us know when you find the answer to that one. Now, answer the question.
    What is a lie? The belief that some illegals can be given amnesty?
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    Re: Illegal drunk drivers, sex abusers, drug dealers, gun offenders, no problem.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ontologuy View Post
    But I presented you with a chance to read an educational essay.

    You speak as if you turned it down .. and instead posted a picture of a family separated by a fence.

    That's a complete disconnect.

    You purported that this picture is all you need to "understand".

    But you don't say what that meaning is, or what the picture caused you to understand.

    And now, when the relevant question is posed to you, you have no answer.

    In the American justice system, fault is key to a conviction.

    And, conviction for the specific crime is key to sentencing.

    If you continue to emotionalize, you'll be wasting your time.

    I could easily post pictures of Americans homeless on the streets because they lost their jobs to wage-slave illegals.

    When all is said and done, what's important is the facts of what happened.

    No matter how sad some situations are, some people have simply brought them on themselves.
    Just because they brought it upon themselves that does not mean they deserve to be consumed by circumstances.
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    Re: Illegal drunk drivers, sex abusers, drug dealers, gun offenders, no problem.

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    True. 'Obamnesty', as you call it, is not popular with the electorate, and polls very low. What's polling high is congressional legislation to 'fix' immigration. This latest action from Obama has created a situation where it is nearly impossible for Republicans to vote for it, and probably has shelved real immigration reform another 10 years. So much so for his claimed caring about immigrants. All he cares about is politics, and he has a very cynical and narcissistic approach to it.

    OK. So it's not economic asylum. What is it then?

    What is the great draw of the US that pulls so many of them across dangerous lands, possibly losing their lives, paying off the coyotes a huge pile of money (relative to them) to come to the US illegally, possibly face deportation if caught, and later, possible separation from their kids.

    If we can identify that, and turn it down, perhaps they'd be less inclined to go through all that to get here illegally? Perhaps they'd go through the legal immigration process?
    Yes, there's a difference between our immigration system and illegal aliens.

    Americans find violation of our laws offensive, and they find special treatment for law-breakers that allows them to get off scot free even more distasteful.

    As a separate issue, our immigration system isn't "broken".

    It just takes a long time for a nation to find a place for a new immigrant when that nation is still suffering from the effects of the Great Recession and the real unemployment rate is above 13 percent and many Americans who could work are homeless along with their kids because they couldn't find living-wage work, and our city roads are jam-packed and droughts are making water difficult to obtain in some areas ...

    Once we take care of ourselves then we'll be able to take on more people from the outside.

    But, we must take of ourselves first.

    Our immigration system respects that .. and those who can't come here "now!" or "sooner" and are waiting in line and who thus are upset and react with "it's broken" .. or those similar who chose to trespass, forge or steal identities, violate federal employment law, violate U.S. customs law, other frauds, etc. and also say they "had" to because "your immigration system is 'broken'" .. are simply not qualified to make that assment, a quite erroneous assessment.
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    Re: Illegal drunk drivers, sex abusers, drug dealers, gun offenders, no problem.

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    What is a lie? The belief that some illegals can be given amnesty?
    There's the problem with spinning around as you have been, you're lost your own point. I explained how the taking care of their families financially and safety excuses were lies and you told us your morals required you to buy those lies. I asked what possible morals could you have that would require such.

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    Re: Illegal drunk drivers, sex abusers, drug dealers, gun offenders, no problem.

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    Just because they brought it upon themselves that does not mean they deserve to be consumed by circumstances.
    That's precisely what it means. YOU take an action of your own accord and you enjoy the positive and negative consequences of that action.

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    Re: Illegal drunk drivers, sex abusers, drug dealers, gun offenders, no problem.

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    There's the problem with spinning around as you have been, you're lost your own point. I explained how the taking care of their families financially and safety excuses were lies and you told us your morals required you to buy those lies. I asked what possible morals could you have that would require such.
    My moral is to never inflict a harsh punishment to someone who did not act because of malice or evil intentions.
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    Re: Illegal drunk drivers, sex abusers, drug dealers, gun offenders, no problem.

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    Just because they brought it upon themselves that does not mean they deserve to be consumed by circumstances.
    Your phrase "consumed by circumstances" is simply meaningless rhetoric.

    You will learn in life, that people make their own beds, and then they have to lie in them.

    That's a meaningful phrase.

    You reap what you sow -- that's a meaningful phrase, too.

    What you seem to be implying here is that people should not be held appropriately accountable for their actions.

    Your implication violates the American value of justice for all.

    If you allow some people to commit crimes and not be held accountable for it, and those on whom they perpetrate their crimes not to receive restitution from them and not get their stolen goods back, you've committed a gross injustice.

    That's what Obama's speech was really all about -- attempting to excuse a gross injustice committed by illegal aliens against American citizens.

    That doesn't fly with the great majority of Americans, and for obvious non-victim-mentality reasons, for reasons of fairness, and today reflects in the polling, a great majority now opposed to Obama's executive order.

    Illegal aliens have treated Americans unfairly.

    Now, they should rightly be called to pay for that unfairness.

    Deportation is a lenient response, all things considered.

    Had they be made to serve sentences for their crimes and be on the hook for restitution, some would owe hundreds of thousands of dollars, and most would have to serve many years in prison.

    That they get off with mere deportation, and Americans get their jobs etc. back, that's clemency and mercy, for sure.
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    Re: Illegal drunk drivers, sex abusers, drug dealers, gun offenders, no problem.

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    My moral is to never inflict a harsh punishment to someone who did not act because of malice or evil intentions.
    So now you need education on what morals are as well? And how in the world, with your lack of education on this issue have you determined there is no malice or evil intentions or even that the punishment is harsh or even a punishment? It's not btw, deportation isn't a punishment.

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    Re: Illegal drunk drivers, sex abusers, drug dealers, gun offenders, no problem.

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    Just because they brought it upon themselves that does not mean they deserve to be consumed by circumstances.

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