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    Re: President Obama to announce executive action on immigration Thursday

    Quote Originally Posted by Chaddelamancha View Post
    Where's the response bill from the House?
    Where was the release for the Border Security Bill from the Senate? Why didn't the whole Bill arrive, from the Senate?

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    Re: President Obama to announce executive action on immigration Thursday

    Quote Originally Posted by Chaddelamancha View Post
    I get your point here that it doesn't have to happen right away and I don't disagree with that, but as far as I can see, it has been a year and a half since the senate bill was approved and went to the house for a vote. Boehner said they wouldn't vote on it, instead they would come up with their own bill. Where is that bill?
    The House has passed bills in regards to what it felt needed to be done in terms of immigration, with their stance being you must secure first before you can actually reform things. Do you know what happened to that bill? The same thing that happened to the Senate bill...the other part of congress refused to take it up. You can't just point fingers and blame one side on this. As I said, the action of passing bills on an issue that the other side of congress has expressed no interest in attempting to work with has been going on with BOTH sides.

    House passes border bill

    Is that the TYPE of reform Barack Obama wanted? No. But he's not a king, he's not an emperor, he's not a dictator. Simply becasue he deems that a certain type of reform needs to happen doesn't mean it must happen or that it does actually "need" to happen. It's wrong and factually incorrect to point to the House and suggest they just refuse to do anything regarding this issue. That's plainly not true. What they refuse to do is to address it in the fashion that the Democratic Senate and Obama wanted, which was a "Comprehensive" method that didn't prioritize Border Security first and foremost.

    Which all goes back to my prior point. He had 2 years with a fully democratic congress...and nothing was done. He's had 4 years to try and strike a compromise, and nothing was done. Now suddenly less than two months before we're actually likely to have a congerss in power that actually will do what they've been unable to do for the past 6 years, pass an actual immigration related piece of legislation, and suddenly we must act immedietely via executive action?

    Lets be frank, this has nothing to do with the House refusing to deal with immigration issues (because such a suggestion is an outright lie). Rather it has everything to do with the fact that the House and Senate, in two months, likely will finally be able to do a deal on immigration issues, and it's not going to be the type of deal Obama is going to like. And since he's backed himself into a corner basically saying "send me anything on immigration and I'll sign it" he's needing to do whatever he can to get as much of what he wants as possible, even if it ends up being questionable in it's legitimacy, because he understands once you bestow certain status's upon people in this country it becomes a matter of the courts to revoke it and it's extremely difficult to do so.

    The republicans in the house have attempted to address immigration issues, they've simply went about it in a way that contradicts with Obama. Addressing something in a way that Obama doesn't agree with doesn't magically mean it doens't exist or that it isn't happening. Obama does not get to set reality and dictate what is true and what isn't. There's absolutely zero legitimate reason that this MUST happen now, and claiming that it's because the Republicans refused to do anything is just undeniably false. At best you can say it's becuase the Republicans refused to do what Obama wanted to do about it. That's not justification to install executive orders that are imcompatible with the expressed and implied will of the congress.

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    Re: President Obama to announce executive action on immigration Thursday

    Quote Originally Posted by Chaddelamancha View Post
    As I see it, the Senate passed an immigration reform bill, but Boehner has stated that he will never bring the bill to a vote in the House. He said, instead, that the house would craft their own bill. I can't seem to find that bill. And this is over a year later. If Boehner won't act, I have no problem with the President using his authority to get immigration reform done.
    You want a King or Queen, move to England. You're okay with Obama taking power and authority he does not have.

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    Re: President Obama to announce executive action on immigration Thursday

    Quote Originally Posted by Chaddelamancha View Post
    Perhaps House Republicans could try passing their own immigration reform bill? Why not work for better immigration reform and not against a President?
    Because it's not a priority. There are a whole lot of more pressing matters they could be doing. Because it's a desperate tactic by an unpopular president who isn't competent enough to do his job. They didn't declare this war, that's all on Obama.

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    Re: President Obama to announce executive action on immigration Thursday

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    All of that is false, but the bolded is the biggest whopper. 57% are from Mexico alone, add in another 24% from countries south of that coming through Mexico. And don't try to wiggle out by saying a lot of them are overstayers, the vast majority of those are from south of our border as well.
    If you're only counting brown people, sure.
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    Re: President Obama to announce executive action on immigration Thursday

    Quote Originally Posted by Chaddelamancha View Post
    How about starting somewhere...anywhere?
    We already have, we already have the laws, the policies. The only thing lacking right now is enforcement.

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    Re: President Obama to announce executive action on immigration Thursday

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    Repubs have no intention of working on immigration reform.
    And you know why--there is no consensus in the GOP for saying yes to something/anything on IR.
    Just saying no and being obstructionists .

    Hah! you know that obstructionist meme got broken, right? Folks outside the echo chamber aren't buying it anymore. The only work that needs to be done on immigration reform right now is in enforcing existing law.

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    Re: President Obama to announce executive action on immigration Thursday

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    That won't be how the American people see it .
    You've already been proven wrong.

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    Re: President Obama to announce executive action on immigration Thursday

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    Repubs wouldn't dare put the Dream Act up for a vote in the impotent House.
    They know it would pass.

    DEMs better get better at the messaging game and damned quick.
    It's all the GOP has on us right now .
    No, the Dream Act will not pass the house. Voters have already told their reps what they think of that one. All the dems had was party propo and no one is buying that drak anymore.

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    Re: President Obama to announce executive action on immigration Thursday

    Quote Originally Posted by Roadvirus View Post
    So Thursday is when he plans on breaking the law, huh?
    Harry Reid is telling BO to go Big. Big Time.....whats Ole Harry tryin to set BO up? As we know Harry isn't going to take the weight.

    Even though he should for holding back the Security Portion of the Senate Bill to the House.

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