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    Re: President Obama to announce executive action on immigration Thursday

    I get your point here that it doesn't have to happen right away and I don't disagree with that, but as far as I can see, it has been a year and a half since the senate bill was approved and went to the house for a vote. Boehner said they wouldn't vote on it, instead they would come up with their own bill. Where is that bill?

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    No, but let's step back and be a bit honest here...

    There was a **** ton that BOTH parts of congress were just basically refusing to actually do. There's supposed to be conference committees for a reason, to hash out differences between the bills passed by both houses...but in multiple cases one side or the other just sat on an issue.

    We have gone SIX YEARS into this president's term without substantial action on immigration other than his one other executive action. It strains credability and realistic expectaitons to suggest that he MUST act in the next two months on immigration. There's no significant, realistic, honest reasons why this must be done now as opposed to...say...four months from now.

    If he was HONESTLY actually caring about having actual legitimate REFORM to immigration law, not simply changes to "enforcement", he'd not poison the well and continue doing what he's largely done over the past 6 years and left things as it was....and see what happens when a congress is seated that is more likely to actually put forward legislation that can pass both houses.

    But this isn't about "getting something done" with immigration...this is about getting done what he wants with immigration. The house didn't roll over and capitulate to his desires when the Democrats were in the Senate, and there's undoubtably no chance that he's going to get what he wants with a Republican house AND senate, so he's now SUDDENLY deeming that he must act before the new congress is set. Why? Because once his executive action happens and things like social security numbers are begun to be handed out to people it becomes an extremely twicky sticky wicket legally speaking to remove such things. Meaning the Republicans, who would be likely to actually finally pass some immigration legislation here in a few months, would be hampered in what they could actually pass.

    The "WAHHHHH THE REPUBLICANS DIDN'T PASS IMMIGRATION [that I wanted]" diversion is just that...a diversion. It's meant to disguise the fact that he's expecting people to believe that something he had 2 years of a democratic majority to get passed, and 4 years with half the congress to reach a compromise on, is suddenly extremely important to get done RIGHT NOW and can't possibly wait 4 months .

    According to the SCOTUS, the Presidents power in terms of executive action is at it's absolutely WEAKEST when said action is against the implied or expressed will of Congress. Flat out suggesting he's doing this because Congress is choosing not to actually do anything about Immigration is DIRECTLY SUGGESTING that he's acting in a way that is imcompatible with the implied or expressed will of congress.

    Obama was correct, this isn't a dictatorship, and "congress isn't passing the laws I want it to pass on things I think it should pass laws on" isn't a legitimate reason to start pushing executive actions on things where his authority is at its lowest to do so.
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    Re: President Obama to announce executive action on immigration Thursday

    Where's the response bill from the House?

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    There are several ways to affect BO's Amnesty. Why don't he wait for the Next Congress to get that bill? Whats the Rush all of a sudden?

    You must have missed McConnell saying let Congress legislate. Moreover just because the Senate Republicans jumped onto the Bill doesn't mean it will pass the House. There are Tea Party members.

    Although.....for some reason. Many didn't notice that Rubio took the hit for his Proposed plan.
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    Re: President Obama to announce executive action on immigration Thursday

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    Repubs have no intention of working on immigration reform.
    And you know why--there is no consensus in the GOP for saying yes to something/anything on IR.
    Just saying no and being obstructionists .
    Oh, you mean like they did back in Aug when BO threatened to Veto what they were going to send. Saying they made a bad bill worse. But only because they were limiting BO's future dabbling with this issue.

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    Re: President Obama to announce executive action on immigration Thursday

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Impeach the fool, doesn't Mexico need a new president? Maybe the asshole can get work down there.
    That wouldn't be good for Kenya, somewhere in Kenya, a village is still missing its IDIOT.

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    Re: President Obama to announce executive action on immigration Thursday

    So Thursday is when he plans on breaking the law, huh?

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    Re: President Obama to announce executive action on immigration Thursday

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Read more @: President Obama to announce executive action on immigration Thursday

    A leaked email has stated that Obama will announce executive action on immigration this Thursday. Interesting to see what the exact details of the announcement will be. Expect the right to scream and yell, yadda yadda yadda. [/FONT][/COLOR]
    Yeah! Shame on the Right for demanding the President of the United States not overstep his authority! Damn law-abiding Right Wingers!

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    Re: President Obama to announce executive action on immigration Thursday

    Quote Originally Posted by Chaddelamancha View Post
    I get your point here that it doesn't have to happen right away and I don't disagree with that, but as far as I can see, it has been a year and a half since the senate bill was approved and went to the house for a vote. Boehner said they wouldn't vote on it, instead they would come up with their own bill. Where is that bill?
    Well you missed what they tried in August of this year, (the House) when BO's manufactured border crisis took place.



    House GOP weighs tough new immigration bills.....


    House Republicans pushed legislation on Friday that could clear the way for eventual deportation of more than 500,000 immigrants brought to the U.S. illegally as kids and could address the surge of immigrants at the U.S.-Mexico border. After more than a year of inaction on the contentious issue of immigration, House GOP leaders were optimistic about securing tea party and other conservative support for two bills that Republicans can highlight when they return home to voters during Congress' five-week summer break.

    The Senate passed a comprehensive immigration bill more than a year ago that would create a pathway for citizenship for the 11.5 million immigrants living in the U.S. illegally, tighten border security and establish new visa and enforcement programs. The measure has languished in the House despite calls from national Republicans, business groups, religious organizations and labor for lawmakers to act. The revised, $694 million border security bill would provide $35 million for the National Guard and clarify a provision on quickly returning unaccompanied minors from Central America to their home countries. Obama had requested $3.7 billion to handle the tens of thousands flooding into the United States.

    To appeal to hard-core immigration foes, Republicans also toughened a companion bill targeting the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program, which President Barack Obama implemented in 2012 and Republicans blame for the flood of immigrants now. The bill states that the president cannot renew or expand the program, effectively paving the way for deportation of children brought to the U.S. illegally, according to several House Republicans. Even if the House passes the border bill, Obama's request for more money to deal with the crisis will go unanswered. The Senate blocked its version of a border security bill, and there are no plans to work out any compromise before Congress returns in September......snip~

    House GOP weighs tough new immigration bills | CNS News

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    Re: President Obama to announce executive action on immigration Thursday

    Quote Originally Posted by Chaddelamancha View Post
    I get your point here that it doesn't have to happen right away and I don't disagree with that, but as far as I can see, it has been a year and a half since the senate bill was approved and went to the house for a vote. Boehner said they wouldn't vote on it, instead they would come up with their own bill. Where is that bill?
    Apparently they haven't done one yet. But so what. If both houses cant agree on a particular law, then guess what? Nothing happens. There isn't some hidden clause in the back of the Constitution that reads: Should the House and the Senate fail to agree on a particular bill, the President may act in any way he sees fit. The Congress writes the laws, the president is supposed to faithfully execute them. Even Obama has said this over and over. Now he is changing his tune. While you might like what the president is doing, you should be wary of giving a president this type of authority. There will be a republican president someday you know, and I doubt you will be so eager to see him sign executive orders that disregard a democratic congress.

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    Re: President Obama to announce executive action on immigration Thursday

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    Apparently they haven't done one yet. But so what. If both houses cant agree on a particular law, then guess what? Nothing happens. There isn't some hidden clause in the back of the Constitution that reads: Should the House and the Senate fail to agree on a particular bill, the President may act in any way he sees fit. The Congress writes the laws, the president is supposed to faithfully execute them. Even Obama has said this over and over. Now he is changing his tune. While you might like what the president is doing, you should be wary of giving a president this type of authority. There will be a republican president someday you know, and I doubt you will be so eager to see him sign executive orders that disregard a democratic congress.
    I would prefer that Congress writes the laws. And I don't support any President who acts carte blanche.
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    Re: President Obama to announce executive action on immigration Thursday

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    We are really going to have a big fight now in order to stop the government from addressing a national problem. Not even about which solution is best, just to prevent there being a solution at all. How did we go from two parties that have different policy, to one that thinks we should have a functioning government and one that doesn't?




    It's not, actually. Those are just the Fox News talking points. The rest of the country recognizes that our borders are huge, understands that people walking north from Mexico accounts for less than half of illegal immigration, and actually just wants to integrate the people who are here. That's the majority opinion. Most Americans don't want to punish anyone. They just want things to work better.
    All of that is false, but the bolded is the biggest whopper. 57% are from Mexico alone, add in another 24% from countries south of that coming through Mexico. And don't try to wiggle out by saying a lot of them are overstayers, the vast majority of those are from south of our border as well.

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