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    Re: President Obama to announce executive action on immigration Thursday

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Looks like the Repubs are.
    Repubs have no intention of working on immigration reform.
    And you know why--there is no consensus in the GOP for saying yes to something/anything on IR.
    Just saying no and being obstructionists .
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    Re: President Obama to announce executive action on immigration Thursday

    That won't be how the American people see it .
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    Obama probably figures he has nothing to lose and everything to gain. If the Congress does what McConnell says, Obama will be busy vetoing bills the next two years looking like an obstructionist.
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    Re: President Obama to announce executive action on immigration Thursday

    Ridiculous. So, instead of the proposing a response to immigration reform, the congressional republicans are going to respond by not confirming a singe nominee? Why not just propose their own immigration reform? The House has had over a year to response to the senate bill, but their response then was "Nope, not going to consider it."

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Looks like the Repubs are.



    Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX) suggests ways congressional Republicans can respond:

    If the President announces executive amnesty, the new Senate Majority Leader who takes over in January should announce that the 114th Congress will not confirm a single nominee—executive or judicial—outside of vital national security positions, so long as the illegal amnesty persists.

    This is a potent tool given to Congress by the Constitution explicitly to act as a check on executive power. It is a constitutional power of the Majority Leader alone, and it would serve as a significant deterrent to a lawless President. Additionally, the new Congress should exercise the power of the purse by passing individual appropriations bills authorizing critical functions of government and attaching riders to strip the authority from the president to grant amnesty.....snip~
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    Re: President Obama to announce executive action on immigration Thursday

    Repubs wouldn't dare put the Dream Act up for a vote in the impotent House.
    They know it would pass.

    DEMs better get better at the messaging game and damned quick.
    It's all the GOP has on us right now .

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    So they just shouldn't try?
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    Re: President Obama to announce executive action on immigration Thursday

    Quote Originally Posted by Chaddelamancha View Post
    So they just shouldn't try?
    I think they did try.
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    Re: President Obama to announce executive action on immigration Thursday

    Quote Originally Posted by Chaddelamancha View Post
    So they just shouldn't try?
    No, but let's step back and be a bit honest here...

    There was a **** ton that BOTH parts of congress were just basically refusing to actually do. There's supposed to be conference committees for a reason, to hash out differences between the bills passed by both houses...but in multiple cases one side or the other just sat on an issue.

    We have gone SIX YEARS into this president's term without substantial action on immigration other than his one other executive action. It strains credability and realistic expectaitons to suggest that he MUST act in the next two months on immigration. There's no significant, realistic, honest reasons why this must be done now as opposed to...say...four months from now.

    If he was HONESTLY actually caring about having actual legitimate REFORM to immigration law, not simply changes to "enforcement", he'd not poison the well and continue doing what he's largely done over the past 6 years and left things as it was....and see what happens when a congress is seated that is more likely to actually put forward legislation that can pass both houses.

    But this isn't about "getting something done" with immigration...this is about getting done what he wants with immigration. The house didn't roll over and capitulate to his desires when the Democrats were in the Senate, and there's undoubtably no chance that he's going to get what he wants with a Republican house AND senate, so he's now SUDDENLY deeming that he must act before the new congress is set. Why? Because once his executive action happens and things like social security numbers are begun to be handed out to people it becomes an extremely twicky sticky wicket legally speaking to remove such things. Meaning the Republicans, who would be likely to actually finally pass some immigration legislation here in a few months, would be hampered in what they could actually pass.

    The "WAHHHHH THE REPUBLICANS DIDN'T PASS IMMIGRATION [that I wanted]" diversion is just that...a diversion. It's meant to disguise the fact that he's expecting people to believe that something he had 2 years of a democratic majority to get passed, and 4 years with half the congress to reach a compromise on, is suddenly extremely important to get done RIGHT NOW and can't possibly wait 4 months .

    According to the SCOTUS, the Presidents power in terms of executive action is at it's absolutely WEAKEST when said action is against the implied or expressed will of Congress. Flat out suggesting he's doing this because Congress is choosing not to actually do anything about Immigration is DIRECTLY SUGGESTING that he's acting in a way that is imcompatible with the implied or expressed will of congress.

    Obama was correct, this isn't a dictatorship, and "congress isn't passing the laws I want it to pass on things I think it should pass laws on" isn't a legitimate reason to start pushing executive actions on things where his authority is at its lowest to do so.

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    Re: President Obama to announce executive action on immigration Thursday

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    That won't be how the American people see it .
    Sure they will, Obama said his policies were on the ballot....and he lost.
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    Re: President Obama to announce executive action on immigration Thursday

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
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    A leaked email has stated that Obama will announce executive action on immigration this Thursday. Interesting to see what the exact details of the announcement will be. Expect the right to scream and yell, yadda yadda yadda. [/FONT][/COLOR]
    I think we all should wait and see what it all entails. I for one am not about to get all hyper about it. Now once I know what his executive is, than I may indeed get hyper or maybe not.
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    Re: President Obama to announce executive action on immigration Thursday

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    Repubs have no intention of working on immigration reform.
    And you know why--there is no consensus in the GOP for saying yes to something/anything on IR.
    Just saying no and being obstructionists .
    Oh...Republicans surely do intend to work on immigration reform...they just don't intend to work on it under Obama's terms. Too bad for Obama, eh?
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    Re: President Obama to announce executive action on immigration Thursday

    Quote Originally Posted by Chaddelamancha View Post
    Ridiculous. So, instead of the proposing a response to immigration reform, the congressional republicans are going to respond by not confirming a singe nominee? Why not just propose their own immigration reform? The House has had over a year to response to the senate bill, but their response then was "Nope, not going to consider it."

    There are several ways to affect BO's Amnesty. Why don't he wait for the Next Congress to get that bill? Whats the Rush all of a sudden?

    You must have missed McConnell saying let Congress legislate. Moreover just because the Senate Republicans jumped onto the Bill doesn't mean it will pass the House. There are Tea Party members.

    Although.....for some reason. Many didn't notice that Rubio took the hit for his Proposed plan.

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