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    Re: President Obama to announce executive action on immigration Thursday

    Quote Originally Posted by Chaddelamancha View Post
    As I see it, the Senate passed an immigration reform bill, but Boehner has stated that he will never bring the bill to a vote in the House. He said, instead, that the house would craft their own bill. I can't seem to find that bill. And this is over a year later. If Boehner won't act, I have no problem with the President using his authority to get immigration reform done.
    So you don't mind him breaking the law?
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    Re: President Obama to announce executive action on immigration Thursday

    I find the whole polarized debate about immigration to be a bait and switch, no matter which side of the political spectrum is talking about it.

    Whether illegal immigrants get a crackdown or more forgiving laws, the multinational corporations that employ them along the southern borders aren't going to receive fines heavy enough to stop them from illegally employing these people. Successive administrations have shown time and time again that they won't go after big businesses who are hiring illegals.

    We have bus loads of illegals being transported from their shanty camps to work sites every day in the south. It's not even like these illegals are hard to find. They're sitting right next to Americans who are on welfare and whose foodstamps come with the stipulation that they also work in such camps.

    All this fighting is for naught. If you really want to stop illegals then you need to stop the companies who are employing them, which is NOT happening.

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    Re: President Obama to announce executive action on immigration Thursday

    You will have to be more specific. We have many laws.

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    So you don't mind him breaking the law?
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    Re: President Obama to announce executive action on immigration Thursday

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    We are really going to have a big fight now in order to stop the government from addressing a national problem. Not even about which solution is best, just to prevent there being a solution at all. How did we go from two parties that have different policy, to one that thinks we should have a functioning government and one that doesn't?




    It's not, actually. Those are just the Fox News talking points. The rest of the country recognizes that our borders are huge, understands that people walking north from Mexico accounts for less than half of illegal immigration, and actually just wants to integrate the people who are here. That's the majority opinion. Most Americans don't want to punish anyone. They just want things to work better.

    You're nuts if you think MOST American's don't want to secure the border, and it isn't all about Mexico and illegals walking through. It has become a national security issue for most of us. As far as punishing employers of illegals; It is the single best way to stop illegal immigration cold, and we wouldn't need to build any expensive fences or hi-tech monitoring.


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    Re: President Obama to announce executive action on immigration Thursday

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Will be interesting to see what actually is announced and thus have something concrete to actually talk about.

    If it's simply TEMPORARY allowance to remain in this country, no matter how wide spread, as this article suggests then I don't think Impeachment or a shutdown is reasonable, however I do think such will absolutely poison the well from the very onset between this President and the next congresses on immigration and likely many other issues as well.



    Regardless of when President Obama announces his plan to give work permits and Social Security numbers to millions of illegal immigrants, House Republicans are now expected to pass a short-term government funding bill early this December that will allow them to defund Obama's work permit giveaway early next year.

    The Washington Examiner's David Drucker reports:

    This stopgap measure could take two forms, depending on the scope of an executive order. It could fully fund the government at current levels, including the Department of Homeland Security that oversees immigration, and run through February or March. Or it could provide for a short-term continuing resolution for DHS while fully funding the rest of the government through the remainder of fiscal 2015. The latter option is favored by Rep. Tom Price, R-Ga., the likely next chairman of the House Budget Committee......snip~

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    Re: President Obama to announce executive action on immigration Thursday

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Let the games begin.



    If Republicans do decide to fund the rest of the federal government, while passing a separate funding bill that specifically limits Obama's ability to implement an executive amnesty, even Senate Democrats acknowledge that would be a perfectly legitimate tactic.

    It happens all the time,” retiring Sen. Carl Levin (D-MI) told National Review last week. “That’s not uncommon that there’s amendments saying ‘none of the funds in this appropriation bill may be spent for’ — fill in the blank,” Levin said.

    Asked specifically whether Republican attempts to defund Obama's amnesty could be called "an effort to shutdown the government," Levin disagreed. “That’s not slash-and-burn. That’s not bringing down the government. That’s a fairly traditional, targeted approach to make a policy point.” .....snip~

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    Re: President Obama to announce executive action on immigration Thursday

    Perhaps House Republicans could try passing their own immigration reform bill? Why not work for better immigration reform and not against a President?

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    Regardless of when President Obama announces his plan to give work permits and Social Security numbers to millions of illegal immigrants, House Republicans are now expected to pass a short-term government funding bill early this December that will allow them to defund Obama's work permit giveaway early next year.

    The Washington Examiner's David Drucker reports:

    This stopgap measure could take two forms, depending on the scope of an executive order. It could fully fund the government at current levels, including the Department of Homeland Security that oversees immigration, and run through February or March. Or it could provide for a short-term continuing resolution for DHS while fully funding the rest of the government through the remainder of fiscal 2015. The latter option is favored by Rep. Tom Price, R-Ga., the likely next chairman of the House Budget Committee......snip~

    How Republicans Will Respond To Obama's Executive Amnesty - Conn Carroll
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    Re: President Obama to announce executive action on immigration Thursday

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    What gets me is that a lot of what they are saying he is proposing makes a lot of sense, and I think would be supported by many republicans so I am not sure of why he is moving so fast on this? I think the biggest hurdle for most American's (If you look at polling data) is the securing of the border, and hash penalties for employers of illegals. None of which was included in the expected EO. Look, more than any other issue in this nation I think here is where BO is missing a huge opportunity for true bi-partisan support. I can't fathom why he is pushing so hard unless he's really just looking for a fight?


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    Obama only wants one thing. Amnesty. That's why he's pushing so hard.

    The Senate bill will give him his amnesty. Whatever the Republicans come up with most likely won't...at least, not the kind of amnesty he wants. Because of that, he is willing to threaten...and, it now appears, to actually do it...executive action to force the Republicans to rubber-stamp that massive Senate bill.

    For Obama, it's all about politics...not about actually dealing with any problems we might have with legal and illegal immigration.

    The Republicans, to their credit, seem to be holding firm to their belief that the best way to deal with these issues is to handle them in reasonable, effective, bite-sized legislation.
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    Re: President Obama to announce executive action on immigration Thursday

    Quote Originally Posted by Chaddelamancha View Post
    Perhaps House Republicans could try passing their own immigration reform bill? Why not work for better immigration reform and not against a President?

    How about one that legalizes those here with a Permanent green card, No US Citizenship and No Right to Vote!

    The Demos won't like it.....but tell them to man up. Is it about the people or their party's political aspiration? That's how the Repubs should set the argument up with all those That came here legally and followed the Law to gain their status and their Rights.


    BREAKING: Amnesty Executive Order Announcement Coming Thursday in Prime Time Address

    UPDATE: This could get awkward. JUST IN: Obama has invited senior lawmakers to dinner tonight at the White House to explain his #immigration decision, several aides say.

    UPDATE: By the way, the Washington Post editorial board has already advised against this course of action. Oh well.

    UPDATE: Republicans will not be attending the White House dinner tonight after all. Confirmed: Obama didn't invite top GOP leaders to attend his #immigration dinner tonight with senior Democrats.....snip~

    BREAKING: Amnesty Executive Order Announcement Coming Thursday in Prime Time Address - Daniel Doherty



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    Re: President Obama to announce executive action on immigration Thursday

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Impeach the fool, doesn't Mexico need a new president? Maybe the asshole can get work down there.
    Why do you hate Mexicans?
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