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    Ted Cruz Hits Back At Al Franken On Net Neutrality

    Ted Cruz Hits Back At Al Franken On Net Neutrality

    "We want a whole lot more of this," Cruz says in the video, waving an iPhone in the air, which he used as a proxy for innovation that can occur in the absence of government regulation. "And a whole lot less of this," he adds, pointing to a rotary phone, a symbol of an industry he says was "frozen in place" by regulation.


    With every other statement Cruz makes on this subject, he proves he doesn't understand what is being discussed here or has the first clue regarding the inner working of the internet. First of all, he argues that rotary phones are symbols of being "frozen in time". Then he argues that iphones are... what? A symbol of innovation? Well... aside from all of Apple's issues with stealing technology, does he not realize that at one point or another rotary phones were innovative? Does he believe they're still widely used? Does he believe his iPhone will evolve like a Pokemon and won't become a relic of time 25 years from now? Well, whatever he intended to show with that argument it failed. However, this is what made me laugh the most:

    Cruz's argument, though, relies on a different reading of what "the same" means. Franken is arguing that the Internet will be just as open to innovation as it always has been, since net neutrality has always been in effect and will remain in effect. Indeed, it would be hard to make the case that the Internet's current regulatory structure has made innovation impossible. Cruz instead is re-appropriating the phrase to imply that the Internet as a whole will never be able to change from the way it is now.
    In short, this is the reason Cruz and opposers of net neutrality have been laughed at. Not only have they been dishonest in their presentation of the facts, they've completely tried to change the arguments around net neutrality. They've tried to paint their opposition to NN - which includes slow lanes, making developers and producers pay ransoms to ISPs and denying other companies businesses - as part of a process of innovation. Not only is that laughable, it's criminally dishonest. Hopefully, the generation (mine) which grew up using the internet will not fall for it.
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    Re: Ted Cruz Hits Back At Al Franken On Net Neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Ted Cruz Hits Back At Al Franken On Net Neutrality





    With every other statement Cruz makes on this subject, he proves he doesn't understand what is being discussed here or has the first clue regarding the inner working of the internet. First of all, he argues that rotary phones are symbols of being "frozen in time". Then he argues that iphones are... what? A symbol of innovation? Well... aside from all of Apple's issues with stealing technology, does he not realize that at one point or another rotary phones were innovative? Does he believe they're still widely used? Does he believe his iPhone will evolve like a Pokemon and won't become a relic of time 25 years from now? Well, whatever he intended to show with that argument it failed. However, this is what made me laugh the most:



    In short, this is the reason Cruz and opposers of net neutrality have been laughed at. Not only have they been dishonest in their presentation of the facts, they've completely tried to change the arguments around net neutrality. They've tried to paint their opposition to NN - which includes slow lanes, making developers and producers pay ransoms to ISPs and denying other companies businesses - as part of a process of innovation. Not only is that laughable, it's criminally dishonest. Hopefully, the generation (mine) which grew up using the internet will not fall for it.
    Its cute that you think the same statists which have ruined anything they try to put into law would somehow be even borderline competent here.
    Leftists are about control, this is an example of how.

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    Re: Ted Cruz Hits Back At Al Franken On Net Neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Its cute that you think the same statists which have ruined anything they try to put into law would somehow be even borderline competent here.
    Leftists are about control, this is an example of how.
    Do you drive-by post a lot? Because it seems you do. You can't win an argument in one thread, then you hurry to another thread and post hoping others won't respond. Well, sigh alright.

    Can you tell us how net neutrality restricts innovation? I'll wait.
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    Re: Ted Cruz Hits Back At Al Franken On Net Neutrality

    Here, for those that need it pounded home

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    Re: Ted Cruz Hits Back At Al Franken On Net Neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Can you tell us how net neutrality restricts innovation? I'll wait.
    You're probably going to die before you get a coherent answer to that.
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    Re: Ted Cruz Hits Back At Al Franken On Net Neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Its cute that you think the same statists which have ruined anything they try to put into law would somehow be even borderline competent here. Leftists are about control, this is an example of how.
    It's cute you think the same statists who strive to keep restrictions on access in place by using fine print misdirection are somehow 'victims' and under the thumb of 'lefties'...

    A player has to play and a CON has to CON...

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    Re: Ted Cruz Hits Back At Al Franken On Net Neutrality

    Ted Cruz doesn't give a flying monkey's butt about whether or not he's right.

    Cruz is entirely doing this to out flank every Republican Presidential candidate in 2015-2016 by attacking everything Obama wants and does. Cruz knows full well that anyone who is even remotely tech informed knows he's completely full of crap. But most of us won't vote for him anyways. The crazy radicals within the GOP primaries, most of whom are old, white and tech illiterate will eat Cruz's statements up. Cruz knows he has to win the primaries and playing to the extremists is how he plans on doing just that.

    I fully suspect that Cruz knows he's wrong. But he doesn't care he's wrong because being wrong is just a means to an end. In a sense Cruz is farming the idiots for their votes. Expect Cruz to be nearly 100% "Whatever Obama Wants, I Hate" for the next two years. Doesn't matter what, Cruz's plan of attack is to be the anti-Obama. Whether or not that ticket will get him into the White House remains to be seen.
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    Re: Ted Cruz Hits Back At Al Franken On Net Neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by ChezC3 View Post
    Here, for those that need it pounded home
    This really is what it boils down to. ISPs have infiltrated the government and now it is up to the consumers/content providers to tell Washington to shove it and stop bull****ting us. That John Oliver had to point out that Obama is as much in bed with ISPs as Ted Cruz shows why this needs to be legislated in a way that keeps the system exactly as it has been for 25+ years. No more, no less. I feel like Democrats are too pussy to actually take this issue the way it should be taken and Republicans have too many campaign contributions to lose if they stand in favor of NN. So we're left with a situation where:

    1. Both parties are in bed with ISPs.
    2. The president is in bed with ISPs.
    3. ISPs have their former executives overseeing the death of net neutrality.
    4. The mainstream media arguing in favor of big business (thanks to NBCUniversal).
    5. Content providers/creators like Google, Facebook, DeviantArt, 500px, Wikipedia all being opposed to attacks on NN.

    and finally....

    6. Users who are going to get screwed no matter what.

    I for one do not have much hope that things will improve but will do my best to join any demonstration in favor of net neutrality. It simply is a necessary part of innovation on the internet.
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    Re: Ted Cruz Hits Back At Al Franken On Net Neutrality

    Ted Cruz has done the damage needed to kill NN. Cons like Cruz, and Rush Limbaugh have turned this into a Partisan issue. For the low information voters, that's enough for them to again allow businesses like Time Warner and Comcast to act against the interest of American Citizens.

    Thanks Cruz.

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    Re: Ted Cruz Hits Back At Al Franken On Net Neutrality


    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    With every other statement Cruz makes on this subject, he proves he doesn't understand what is being discussed here or has the first clue regarding the inner working of the internet.
    Wrong. It is you who has shown that he does not understand what Cruz is speaking to even though you have been told multiple times.

    There is no need to classify it as a utility to obtain neutrality.

    Your arguments against Cruz's stated position is nothing more than dishonesty.
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