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    Re: Ted Cruz Hits Back At Al Franken On Net Neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    Which is why they avoid the reality of what Cruz has said.
    Not so much that they avoid the reality.....which is why you get their take with a complete different tangent or the play with the semantic over terminology.
    Or the complete misinterpretation.

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    Re: Ted Cruz Hits Back At Al Franken On Net Neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Then report me, ignore me, or go pound sand. I will continue to point out that Cruz sides with the ISPs.
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    And I will continue to point out you are off topic when addressing me, or when I address you, that is, unless you are on topic.
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    Re: Ted Cruz Hits Back At Al Franken On Net Neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Yes, we have to continue to bash Obama. We cannot for an instance bring up the fact that both Obama and Cruz could be wrong. We have to only focus on Obama.
    You are off topic again, especially as no one has bashed Obama.
    Pointing out that his suggestion is wrong is not bashing him.
    Or do you not know the difference?
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    Re: Ted Cruz Hits Back At Al Franken On Net Neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Yes, we have to continue to bash Obama. We cannot for an instance bring up the fact that both Obama and Cruz could be wrong. We have to only focus on Obama.
    Mornin' TNE. Didn't look like he was bashing BO to me.....he just stated that BO wanted a Utility.

    Which I am quite sure if Excon wanted to bash BO.....he wouldn't have any problem.

    Although, where did you think he was bashing BO?

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    Re: Ted Cruz Hits Back At Al Franken On Net Neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Not so much that they avoid the reality.....which is why you get their take with a complete different tangent or the play with the semantic over terminology.
    Or the complete misinterpretation.
    After pointing out reality to these folks, I can not be as generous as you.

    As I said, a persons thoughts have to be convoluted to say the nonsense that has been said.
    That crap is not indicative of living in reality.

    It is either that, or straight up partisan dishonesty.

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    Re: Ted Cruz Hits Back At Al Franken On Net Neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    Hold on. I am going to go trademark the term so I can profit from it.
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    Re: Ted Cruz Hits Back At Al Franken On Net Neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    After pointing out reality to these folks, I can not be as generous as you.

    As I said, a persons thoughts have to be convoluted to say the nonsense that has been said.
    That crap is not indicative of living in reality.

    It is either that, or straight up partisan dishonesty.



    Well politically, for those on the left.....it is a chance to go off on a Cruz. Just sayin.

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    Re: Ted Cruz Hits Back At Al Franken On Net Neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Ted Cruz Hits Back At Al Franken On Net Neutrality





    With every other statement Cruz makes on this subject, he proves he doesn't understand what is being discussed here or has the first clue regarding the inner working of the internet. First of all, he argues that rotary phones are symbols of being "frozen in time". Then he argues that iphones are... what? A symbol of innovation? Well... aside from all of Apple's issues with stealing technology, does he not realize that at one point or another rotary phones were innovative? Does he believe they're still widely used? Does he believe his iPhone will evolve like a Pokemon and won't become a relic of time 25 years from now? Well, whatever he intended to show with that argument it failed. However, this is what made me laugh the most:



    In short, this is the reason Cruz and opposers of net neutrality have been laughed at. Not only have they been dishonest in their presentation of the facts, they've completely tried to change the arguments around net neutrality. They've tried to paint their opposition to NN - which includes slow lanes, making developers and producers pay ransoms to ISPs and denying other companies businesses - as part of a process of innovation. Not only is that laughable, it's criminally dishonest. Hopefully, the generation (mine) which grew up using the internet will not fall for it.
    To be fair, Cruz is right, but perhaps not in the case for Net Neutrality, but I have to ask, in vast majority of other cases, isn't he is correct?

    Since when has government being involved, rendering regulations and legislation, actually improved the competitive landscape in the private business sector?
    I struggle to think of a single case where it has (I'm sure that some will pipe up and let us know where it has).

    Yes, in the past, via government and court intervention, the old AT&T / Bell Systems monopoly was broken up, and the RBOCs were created. In the mean time, haven't these RBOCs re-consolidated once again? I know that SBC grew by acquisition, and has even adopted the at&t moniker (note, not the previous AT&T moniker). Has anyone considered the possibility that a large corporation such as the new at&t really is the best to service the customers? Are there cases where a large, regulated company is the only way to render the needed goods and services to the customer in an effective, cost and otherwise, manner?
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    Re: Ted Cruz Hits Back At Al Franken On Net Neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Do you drive-by post a lot? Because it seems you do. You can't win an argument in one thread, then you hurry to another thread and post hoping others won't respond. Well, sigh alright.

    Can you tell us how net neutrality restricts innovation? I'll wait.
    A granular approach to QoS allows ISPs the ability to far over-license their purchased circuits, greatly reducing the cost per customer for access to the internet with minimal impact on the service provided. More customers, more and varied demands, more innovation. If you actually had to pay for the cost of your internet access that was pegged at all times to your high usage you likely couldn't afford it.

    People keep complaining that they want the "internet to stay how it was" which shows just how ignorant they really are. Advancements in QoS technology over the years is what has lead to the internet boom of the last 20 years. "The way it was" back in the day was paying $100 to a telcom/month for a locked 750k of bandwidth. At those speeds NetFlix barely functions, if at all. With QoS you can have NetFlix customer take the bandwidth equivalent of 5 customers of the "good old days" because those 5 customers are current not using their bandwidth. THat works well until NetFlix eats over a quarter of the internet Bandwidth and there is a growing demand for non NetFlix traffic.

    By Net Neutrality standards if you are hit with new demand for, say, some news even that sends millions of customers to the PC to stream a news report, the 10% increased demand in bandwidth means you take 10% from all existing traffic equally, which barely effects the NetFlix user, but kills services operating on slim functionality margins.

    You can't treat all data equally simply because all data isn't equal. The next time you are trying to check out at a grocery store and the system can't process your transaction because the internet connection is slow just remember that you are taking one for the team so some guy can watch RoboCop in remastered 1080p.
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    Re: Ted Cruz Hits Back At Al Franken On Net Neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Well politically, for those on the left.....it is a chance to go off on a Cruz. Just sayin.
    Yeah. Dishonestly go off on Cruz.
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