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    Re: Ted Cruz Hits Back At Al Franken On Net Neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    This discussion (about Cruz's assertion) is about Obama's desire to classify it as a Utility and the possible ramifications of that.

    Once we get past that and folks understand that what Obama wants to do is not a wise choice, we can discuss other related topics.
    Again it is a reaction to what the ISPs are doing. How do you stop the ISPs from continuing what they are doing?

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    Re: Ted Cruz Hits Back At Al Franken On Net Neutrality

    Ted Cruz believes that he has a great career ahead of him reading "Green eggs and Ham" and other Dr. Seuss favorites on the web. He doesn't want net neutrality to interfere with his big money plans.
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    Re: Ted Cruz Hits Back At Al Franken On Net Neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Again it is a reaction to what the ISPs are doing. How do you stop the ISPs from continuing what they are doing?
    You can't. In order to maintain the SLA guaranteed when you paid for your access, the ISP must have the ability to throttle heavy volume users.

    Under net-neutrality proposals, they can be regulated to not throttle or speed up anyone's access, which will directly translate into lower or non-existent SLAs. Or ISPs can move to per-GB plan for all, just like Electricity, Water, and Sewer utilities.

    I believe this falls under the damned if you do, damned if you don't category of problems.

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    Re: Ted Cruz Hits Back At Al Franken On Net Neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by Samhain View Post
    You can't. In order to maintain the SLA guaranteed when you paid for your access, the ISP must have the ability to throttle heavy volume users.

    Under net-neutrality proposals, they can be regulated to not throttle or speed up anyone's access, which will directly translate into lower or non-existent SLAs.

    I believe this falls under the damned if you do, damned if you don't category of problems.
    So you side with the corporations essentially destroying net neutrality?

    If you side for freedom, you at least side with net neutrality. I'm not saying that Obama's solution is the way to go, but yes, the ISPs need to be stopped from doing this.

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    Re: Ted Cruz Hits Back At Al Franken On Net Neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    So you side with the corporations essentially destroying net neutrality?

    If you side for freedom, you at least side with net neutrality. I'm not saying that Obama's solution is the way to go, but yes, the ISPs need to be stopped from doing this.
    I disagree that it's "corporations" vs freedom. It's ILECs vs freedom. Most corporations are for net neutrality as well, because they don't want another giant expense, too.
    Ted Cruz is the dumbest person alive.

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    Re: Ted Cruz Hits Back At Al Franken On Net Neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    This discussion (about Cruz's assertion) is about Obama's desire to classify it as a Utility and the possible ramifications of that.

    Once we get past that and folks understand that what Obama wants to do is not a wise choice, we can discuss other related topics.
    I have found that no one on the left wants to engage on that point. They don't seem to care how NN is achieved so long as it is achieved. Not one of them even considers the ramifications of classifying the web as a utility.

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    Re: Ted Cruz Hits Back At Al Franken On Net Neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by Samhain View Post
    You can't. In order to maintain the SLA guaranteed when you paid for your access, the ISP must have the ability to throttle heavy volume users.

    Under net-neutrality proposals, they can be regulated to not throttle or speed up anyone's access, which will directly translate into lower or non-existent SLAs. Or ISPs can move to per-GB plan for all, just like Electricity, Water, and Sewer utilities.

    I believe this falls under the damned if you do, damned if you don't category of problems.
    Why would they be restricted in having to throttle up? If they can throttle up, then they can throttle down. It is the throttling down that is the concern...down not up.


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    Re: Ted Cruz Hits Back At Al Franken On Net Neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    I disagree that it's "corporations" vs freedom. It's ILECs vs freedom. Most corporations are for net neutrality as well, because they don't want another giant expense, too.
    If ISPs get the ability to throttle down or even exclude websites, how long do you think it will be before corporations realize they can "buy" support from the ISPs to throttle or exclude their competition?

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    Re: Ted Cruz Hits Back At Al Franken On Net Neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Again it is a reaction to what the ISPs are doing. How do you stop the ISPs from continuing what they are doing?
    And again. That is a discussion for a different thread.
    This discussion (about Cruz's assertion) is about Obama's desire to classify it as a Utility and the possible ramifications of that.

    Once we get past that and folks understand that what Obama wants to do is not a wise choice, we can discuss other related topics.
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    Re: Ted Cruz Hits Back At Al Franken On Net Neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    I have found that no one on the left wants to engage on that point. They don't seem to care how NN is achieved so long as it is achieved. Not one of them even considers the ramifications of classifying the web as a utility.
    Which is why they avoid the reality of what Cruz has said.
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