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    Re: Ted Cruz Hits Back At Al Franken On Net Neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by Mithros View Post
    Seriously? Comcast et al "allowed" Netflix to pay for peered connections as a courtesy? I suppose the mob allowed businesses to buy protection as a "courtesy" as well.

    Netflix isn't slowing anyone down. Both Netflix and Porndig have both bought and paid for the amount of bandwidth they're consuming. Neither of which has anything to do with an ISP's network.

    An ISP's network slows down when the people who purchase bandwidth from an ISP exceed that ISPs capacity. What they're using it for doesn't matter.

    This would be like your electric company coming to the conclusion that lots of electricity is going towards air conditioners during the summer. Therefore the electric company sets a much higher rate, but only for air conditioners. Of course, air conditioner conditioner manufacturers can make this go away if they pay the electric company a yearly fee... as a courtesy of course. Oh, and the electric company is also now making it's own air conditioner. It barely works, but all of it's electricity is free.

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    Edit: as a side note, has anyone else noticed that the anti-Net Neutrality folks have suddenly switched en-masse to calling it NN? As far as I can tell they're the only ones doing it, and it's just weird.


    "Netflix has historically routed its streaming content to broadband providers through a number of Internet middlemen. But since mid-2012, the company has been trying to reduce what it pays these middlemen by getting broadband companies to hook up directly to its new video-distribution network without paying them fees for carrying its traffic."


    Netflix Agrees to Pay Comcast to End Web Traffic Jam - WSJ
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    Re: Ted Cruz Hits Back At Al Franken On Net Neutrality

    For reference, one of the liberal's favorites, Mark Cuban, does not support this measure at all.

    http://www.businessinsider.com/net-n...-cuban-2014-11
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    Re: Ted Cruz Hits Back At Al Franken On Net Neutrality

    Mark Cuban isn't really a liberal's favorite, he's a big Ayn Rand fan.

    Cuban isn't liberal or conservative, he's smart: he's a moderate independent.
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    Re: Ted Cruz Hits Back At Al Franken On Net Neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    The lemmings here are not even admitting that that is what will happen if it gets classified as a utility.
    They are just supporting what ever Obama wants like good little lemmings.
    I most likely need to study this matter to be more informed as to which way is the best way for the American people. With utilities, you get charged for your usage. Would that be an improvement, or not? I currently have Verizon for FIOS TV and internet. There are various plans for their internet access that cost differing amounts according to DL speeds and upload speeds. I think I chose the median plan. It's expensive!

    But NN doesn't have anything to do with my plan. It has to do with prioritizing connections. That's my understanding of "throttling". Priority 1 connections would tromp all over regular customers in the same area. I don't think that they should be allowed to do that.

    So, is Obama right? do we need to change the nets to utilities to keep that from happening? Or is Cruz right? Leave it as is?

    I think the real question here is geared more toward Web stores like Amazon and such, not so much for us peons.

    Which way is best people? I cannot stand to be on the wrong side of an issue due to ignorance on my part.
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    Re: Ted Cruz Hits Back At Al Franken On Net Neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    "Netflix has historically routed its streaming content to broadband providers through a number of Internet middlemen. But since mid-2012, the company has been trying to reduce what it pays these middlemen by getting broadband companies to hook up directly to its new video-distribution network without paying them fees for carrying its traffic."


    Netflix Agrees to Pay Comcast to End Web Traffic Jam - WSJ
    Those "middlemen" have a name. They're what we call, "the internet".

    Here's a good video by James May that will teach you the basics of how it works.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C3sr7_0FyPA

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    Re: Ted Cruz Hits Back At Al Franken On Net Neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by d0gbreath View Post
    So, is Obama right? do we need to change the nets to utilities to keep that from happening? Or is Cruz right? Leave it as is?
    No it doesn't need to be a utility to accomplish NN. So Cruz is right in that regard.
    Franken says we have had NN all along and we need to reclassify it so it remains the same. Someone needs to tell that idiot that opening it up to regulation and taxes is not remaining the same.

    So Franken says we have had NN all along and Cruz says it needs to remain the same. Whether that indicates he is for NN or not is really irrelevant to the issue of Obama's suggestion and his opposition to it.


    Quote Originally Posted by d0gbreath View Post
    I currently have ... It's expensive!
    Well classifying it as a utility is a guaranteed 16% Fed tax, and being a utility may also bring state and local charges as well.
    So if Obama gets his way, be prepared for an increase.
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    Re: Ted Cruz Hits Back At Al Franken On Net Neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    If I have 10 peers, would letting netflix take up 7 of them organically be "neutral" to the people trying stream from porndig Youtube? (I use 10 as an example).
    PG-ed your quote. If users are requesting more Netflix data than others, isn't that organic? It's not like Netflix is forcing the users to watch anything and thus eat up the bandwidth.

    point being, that if one service is eating up all the capacity of an isp, is that neutrality if other sites and services are squeezed out?
    That then depends on the order of data being requested. If the ISP is treating all data as it comes in equally, then it's being neutral in the sense that it's a first come first serve principle.
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    Re: Ted Cruz Hits Back At Al Franken On Net Neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by d0gbreath View Post
    I most likely need to study this matter to be more informed as to which way is the best way for the American people. With utilities, you get charged for your usage. Would that be an improvement, or not? I currently have Verizon for FIOS TV and internet. There are various plans for their internet access that cost differing amounts according to DL speeds and upload speeds. I think I chose the median plan. It's expensive!

    But NN doesn't have anything to do with my plan. It has to do with prioritizing connections. That's my understanding of "throttling". Priority 1 connections would tromp all over regular customers in the same area. I don't think that they should be allowed to do that.

    So, is Obama right? do we need to change the nets to utilities to keep that from happening? Or is Cruz right? Leave it as is?

    I think the real question here is geared more toward Web stores like Amazon and such, not so much for us peons.

    Which way is best people? I cannot stand to be on the wrong side of an issue due to ignorance on my part.
    For me it comes down to this, I HATE paying for my electric bill. I am no fan of the utility that I am paired up with in the town I live in. However I love paying my internet bill because it's exactly what I want with the company I chose. I understand that a lot don't have this choice now, but in the future if they become Government utilities that will almost likely mean less choice for the consumer. As mergers form before reclassification and more cities/states buy rights and the utilities get easy access to their contracts. How do you think this will affect ISP choice in the future if that happens???

    What we should be doing is demanding unbundled services from the corporations, utilities, and government level. Each major ISP should be able to get rolled out into each and every location in America. THAT is the free market at work. I think that's really fair. Don't you?
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    Re: Ted Cruz Hits Back At Al Franken On Net Neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    PG-ed your quote. If users are requesting more Netflix data than others, isn't that organic? It's not like Netflix is forcing the users to watch anything and thus eat up the bandwidth.
    True it's organic, but so is a DDOS attack.

    Point being if the bandwith for the isp is finite due to peers coming in, what are there options, to let netflix eat it all up? (which will happen in the future as streaming takes over cable). I don't know. but I do know is that If I am sold a 100mb line, I should not be effectively throttled because everyone else is watching breaking bad re-runs.....




    That then depends on the order of data being requested. If the ISP is treating all data as it comes in equally, then it's being neutral in the sense that it's a first come first serve principle.

    which would in the future as streaming takes over, kill everyone's connection due to congestion. the answer to this is what netflix wanted to do, direct pipe into the isp's instead of over peers.
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    Re: Ted Cruz Hits Back At Al Franken On Net Neutrality

    If Net Neutrality opponents thought they had a winning argument, they wouldn't be attempting to sell you the line of BS that they want to keep the Internet the way it currently is. This is an outright lie.

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