Page 40 of 43 FirstFirst ... 303839404142 ... LastLast
Results 391 to 400 of 430

Thread: Ted Cruz Hits Back At Al Franken On Net Neutrality

  1. #391

    Re: Ted Cruz Hits Back At Al Franken On Net Neutrality

    Almost every post in this thread is moronic. NN is nothing more than an excuse for government expansion. If you don't like how your ISP operates then go with another. It's the beauty of the free market and competition. If NN becomes the law of the land you'll be stuck with whatever ****ty service you have, like the DMV or your water or electric. Socialism is always geared toward the lowest common denominator.

  2. #392
    Sage
    OldWorldOrder's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2012
    Last Seen
    10-12-15 @ 12:13 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    5,820

    Re: Ted Cruz Hits Back At Al Franken On Net Neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by tpcsledge View Post
    If you don't like how your ISP operates then go with another.
    How many ISPs do you have in your area?
    The whole modern world has divided itself into Conservatives and Progressives. The business of Progressives is to go on making mistakes. The business of Conservatives is to prevent mistakes from being corrected.
    -GK Chesterton

  3. #393
    ANTI**ANTIFA
    ReverendHellh0und's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2007
    Location
    Temple of Solomon
    Last Seen
    Yesterday @ 06:22 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian
    Posts
    75,740

    Re: Ted Cruz Hits Back At Al Franken On Net Neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    I see your point, but it is related in that ISPS can charge different networks different rates dependent on what the data is and therefore treat the packets of data differently. Technically, it is still throttling in that they reduced the amount of data that they would allow Netflix's networks to send over their own lines due to the interconnection fee dust up. The bigger issue of interconnection fees obviously is huge. I get that Comcast's data lines aren't that big, but that's partially their fault for not investing. That article makes this more nuanced, but I don't feel that it has substantially changed the issue.



    If I have 10 peers, would letting netflix take up 7 of them organically be "neutral" to the people trying stream from porndig? (I use 10 as an example)...


    point being, that if one service is eating up all the capacity of an isp, is that neutrality if other sites and services are squeezed out?
    Let evil swiftly befall those who have wrongly condemned us

  4. #394
    ANTI**ANTIFA
    ReverendHellh0und's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2007
    Location
    Temple of Solomon
    Last Seen
    Yesterday @ 06:22 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian
    Posts
    75,740

    Re: Ted Cruz Hits Back At Al Franken On Net Neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    How many ISPs do you have in your area?


    including commercial?
    Let evil swiftly befall those who have wrongly condemned us

  5. #395
    Guru

    Join Date
    May 2011
    Last Seen
    Yesterday @ 02:51 PM
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    2,671

    Re: Ted Cruz Hits Back At Al Franken On Net Neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    If I have 10 peers, would letting netflix take up 7 of them organically be "neutral" to the people trying stream from porndig? (I use 10 as an example)...


    point being, that if one service is eating up all the capacity of an isp, is that neutrality if other sites and services are squeezed out?
    That's not the way the internet works. Content providers already have to pay for the bandwidth they're using. They're either paying for an ISP to connect them to the Tier 1 internet backbone or they're directly paying for infrastructure in the tier 1 network. All traffic on the Tier 1 network is done through settlement-free interconnection. That means everyone routes everyone else’s traffic and no one charges per packet fees. If a company like netflix grows and starts to increase their footprint then they have to pay to for either more bandwidth or more Tier 1 infrastructure.

    The ISP acts in a similar way. They either pay to connect to the tier 1 backbone or they provide tier 1 infrastructure. They pay for this by selling you a piece of that bandwidth. So you're paying for what you use, and content providers are paying for what they use.. seems pretty fair to me.

    But now cable companies are trying to get more money. You're already paying for the bandwidth you use. You're also paying paying content providers so that they can buy the bandwidth they use. Now cable companies want content providers to pay a third time without providing anything for it. Where do you think that money will come from? You. Do you really want to pay more for exactly what you're getting now?

    We have pretty much the worst internet in the industrialized world. We pay more than anyone else, and get less for it.
    BBC News - Why is broadband more expensive in the US?

  6. #396
    ANTI**ANTIFA
    ReverendHellh0und's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2007
    Location
    Temple of Solomon
    Last Seen
    Yesterday @ 06:22 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian
    Posts
    75,740

    Re: Ted Cruz Hits Back At Al Franken On Net Neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by Mithros View Post
    That's not the way the internet works. Content providers already have to pay for the bandwidth they're using. They're either paying for an ISP to connect them to the Tier 1 internet backbone or they're directly paying for infrastructure in the tier 1 network. All traffic on the Tier 1 network is done through settlement-free interconnection. That means everyone routes everyone else’s traffic and no one charges per packet fees. If a company like netflix grows and starts to increase their footprint then they have to pay to for either more bandwidth or more Tier 1 infrastructure.

    uhm, prior to the deal, netflix came to comcast via convergent and others. now they have a direct connection.


    The ISP acts in a similar way. They either pay to connect to the tier 1 backbone or they provide tier 1 infrastructure. They pay for this by selling you a piece of that bandwidth. So you're paying for what you use, and content providers are paying for what they use.. seems pretty fair to me.

    But now cable companies are trying to get more money. You're already paying for the bandwidth you use. You're also paying paying content providers so that they can buy the bandwidth they use. Now cable companies want content providers to pay a third time without providing anything for it. Where do you think that money will come from? You. Do you really want to pay more for exactly what you're getting now?

    My netflix is the same price.



    Did you see any of my other links? it explains it all.


    We have pretty much the worst internet in the industrialized world. We pay more than anyone else, and get less for it.
    BBC News - Why is broadband more expensive in the US?

    This is due to corporatist cronie capitalist government approved monopolies.
    Let evil swiftly befall those who have wrongly condemned us

  7. #397
    Tavern Bartender
    Constitutionalist
    American's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2006
    Location
    Virginia
    Last Seen
    Yesterday @ 10:49 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    76,323

    Re: Ted Cruz Hits Back At Al Franken On Net Neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    lmao. I agree with everything you said, but "white"? Seriously: lmfao, what is even the point of saying that?
    Racism is on his mind, as in how can he insert it for political gain.
    "He who does not think himself worth saving from poverty and ignorance by his own efforts, will hardly be thought worth the efforts of anybody else." -- Frederick Douglass, Self-Made Men (1872)
    "Fly-over" country voted, and The Donald is now POTUS.

  8. #398
    Guru

    Join Date
    May 2011
    Last Seen
    Yesterday @ 02:51 PM
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    2,671

    Re: Ted Cruz Hits Back At Al Franken On Net Neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    uhm, prior to the deal, netflix came to comcast via convergent and others. now they have a direct connection.





    My netflix is the same price.



    Did you see any of my other links? it explains it all.

    We have pretty much the worst internet in the industrialized world. We pay more than anyone else, and get less for it.
    BBC News - Why is broadband more expensive in the US?
    [/QUOTE]
    Content providers are more than welcome to peer with ISPs to provide better service for their customers. If you backtrace to google.com you're likely to see many fewer hops than to other sites on the internet.

    But Netflix didn't make a deal with your ISP because of free market forces. They made a deal because ISPs deliberately sabotaged content from netflix unless netflix agreed to pay for direct peering. That means that Netflix now has less money to pay for developers and content. Sure the price might be the same, but the product isn't as good as it otherwise would have been.

    When you signed your terms of service, did you agree to x bandwidth unless it's to a site which is directly competing with other products produced by your ISP?

  9. #399
    ANTI**ANTIFA
    ReverendHellh0und's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2007
    Location
    Temple of Solomon
    Last Seen
    Yesterday @ 06:22 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian
    Posts
    75,740

    Re: Ted Cruz Hits Back At Al Franken On Net Neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by Mithros View Post
    Content providers are more than welcome to peer with ISPs to provide better service for their customers. If you backtrace to google.com you're likely to see many fewer hops than to other sites on the internet.
    That's what they did, they negotioated with comcast to do that.



    But Netflix didn't make a deal with your ISP because of free market forces. They made a deal because ISPs deliberately sabotaged content from netflix unless netflix agreed to pay for direct peering. That means that Netflix now has less money to pay for developers and content. Sure the price might be the same, but the product isn't as good as it otherwise would have been.

    Incorrect, they used to open up additional peers for bandwith demands based on courtesy, not a business agreement. This is nothing to do with NN


    When you signed your terms of service, did you agree to x bandwidth unless it's to a site which is directly competing with other products produced by your ISP?

    If netflix is slowing down ones porndig, does one have a right to argue the opposite?
    Let evil swiftly befall those who have wrongly condemned us

  10. #400
    Guru

    Join Date
    May 2011
    Last Seen
    Yesterday @ 02:51 PM
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    2,671

    Re: Ted Cruz Hits Back At Al Franken On Net Neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    That's what they did, they negotioated with comcast to do that.






    Incorrect, they used to open up additional peers for bandwith demands based on courtesy, not a business agreement. This is nothing to do with NN





    If netflix is slowing down ones porndig, does one have a right to argue the opposite?
    Seriously? Comcast et al "allowed" Netflix to pay for peered connections as a courtesy? I suppose the mob allowed businesses to buy protection as a "courtesy" as well.

    Netflix isn't slowing anyone down. Both Netflix and Porndig have both bought and paid for the amount of bandwidth they're consuming. Neither of which has anything to do with an ISP's network.

    An ISP's network slows down when the people who purchase bandwidth from an ISP exceed that ISPs capacity. What they're using it for doesn't matter.

    This would be like your electric company coming to the conclusion that lots of electricity is going towards air conditioners during the summer. Therefore the electric company sets a much higher rate, but only for air conditioners. Of course, air conditioner conditioner manufacturers can make this go away if they pay the electric company a yearly fee... as a courtesy of course. Oh, and the electric company is also now making it's own air conditioner. It barely works, but all of it's electricity is free.

    ----------

    Edit: as a side note, has anyone else noticed that the anti-Net Neutrality folks have suddenly switched en-masse to calling it NN? As far as I can tell they're the only ones doing it, and it's just weird.
    Last edited by Mithros; 11-20-14 at 12:16 PM.

Page 40 of 43 FirstFirst ... 303839404142 ... LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •