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    Re: Ted Cruz Hits Back At Al Franken On Net Neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by CMPancake View Post
    So when Ted Cruz says "In short, net neutrality is Obamacare for the Internet. It would put the government in charge of determining Internet pricing, terms of service and what types of products and services can be delivered, leading to fewer choices, fewer opportunities and higher prices." You agree with him?

    Ted Cruz doesn't understand the issue, and seemingly you seem to be ignorant on the matter as well.



    Are you telling me a Politician is making bold, public statements out of the goodness of his heart and not to prey on people who do not understand the issue?

    Ted Cruz is wrong on NN, but it isn't stopping him from being the Devil's Advocate.
    High volume distributers like amazon prime video and netflix pump a great deal of data into isp networks, so much so that infrastructure upgrades are necessary to maintain QOS. Who should ISPs pass those costs to? They could pass them to end users in the form of data caps, so that high volume users pay for their data, much in the manner of cell phones. Consumers definitely don't want this for their home connection. They could try to make deals with the content providers so that they pay their fair share for their usage of end infrastructure, which would break net neutrality if ISPs start throttling access. Or, they could just raise everyone's rates to subsidize high-volume end users. That is how it is like the ACA: if you insist on equal cost, then low volume users subsidize high volume.

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    Re: Ted Cruz Hits Back At Al Franken On Net Neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    But we have to change the classification of the internet in order to keep it the same as it is.

    The trick used here is to say that net neutrality can only continue to exist if we tax the internet more. In other words, if you don't favor paying a utility tax then you oppose net neutrality - never mind that we have net neutrality now (and have always had it) without an added utility tax.
    The lemmings here are not even admitting that that is what will happen if it gets classified as a utility.
    They are just supporting what ever Obama wants like good little lemmings.
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    Re: Ted Cruz Hits Back At Al Franken On Net Neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by ChezC3 View Post
    I think the best thing that people who actually know what NN is is to call it what it is, BS.

    The GOP are so friggin disingenuous with this it makes me sick. The Dems, they're spineless as ever on this, but that's nothing new.

    All this is is an attempt by cable companies and telecoms to become kingmakers and make sure they get a cut of anything that goes across they networks. Essentially they're trying to create transportation fees for the internet when you break it down. The problem is the customer doesn't have a say, I want to view Drudge? OOPS, sorry, Comcast is a HuffPost exclusive provider, but as a courtesy for Comcast customers Comcast has made a special agreement with TimeWarner that will allow you to get Drudge for an additional $1 a month on your bill.

    That's only one concern, the raping of the customer's pocketbook. Now what about the customers mind? Well Comcast doesn't like website ABC because ABC has had some harsh criticism for Comcast or some of it's affiliates, well low and behold all you get from now on at that location is a 405 Invalid Method screen. hundreds of thousands if not literally millions of websites now go bye bye.

    Internet marketing? Why should Google or Facebook get advertising dollars and not the company who provides the broadband those ads are transmitted on?


    I mean the list can go on and on on why this is a completely asinine proposal to be in support of.
    Exaggerated nonsense in both your comments about the GOP and the Dems.
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    Re: Ted Cruz Hits Back At Al Franken On Net Neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    The lemmings here are not even admitting that that is what will happen if it gets classified as a utility.
    They are just supporting what ever Obama wants like good little lemmings.
    Some of them yes but many see that a genuine threat to net neutrality exists absent a force to counter it. The debate should be about how to stop ISPs from straying from net neutrality which should not require a new tax to accomplish.
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    Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man.” ― George Bernard Shaw, Man and Superman

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    Re: Ted Cruz Hits Back At Al Franken On Net Neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    The lemmings here are not even admitting that that is what will happen if it gets classified as a utility.
    They are just supporting what ever Obama wants like good little lemmings.
    Some people yes, will support Obama no matter what. However, what is known now is that the corporations (ISPs) want the power to limit or flat out exclude websites on the internet. This is a reaction to corporation over-reaching.

    I don't for a second believe that the government classifying the internet as a utility will save "Net Neutrality" in itself. However, with corporations looking to do what they are doing is flat out wrong as well. Net Neutrality needs to be kept and corporations simply are not wanting to do that.

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    Re: Ted Cruz Hits Back At Al Franken On Net Neutrality

    Excon's entire argument appears to be "nuh-uh."
    Freedom of speech is not freedom from criticism.

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    Re: Ted Cruz Hits Back At Al Franken On Net Neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Some of them yes but many see that a genuine threat to net neutrality exists absent a force to counter it. The debate should be about how to stop ISPs from straying from net neutrality which should not require a new tax to accomplish.
    Some of them?
    Not one of them that has discussed this with me has admitted such.
    All they want to say is that Cruz doesn't know what NN is, when Cruz is addressing what classifying it as a Utility would bring about.
    A persons thoughts have to be convoluted to even make such an association.

    And while you point out one debate that can be had, this debate should be over whether or not classifying it as a utility to obtain neutrality is a wise suggestion.
    As Cruz points out, it isn't.
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    Re: Ted Cruz Hits Back At Al Franken On Net Neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    Excon's entire argument appears to be "nuh-uh."

    You apparently can't read.
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    Re: Ted Cruz Hits Back At Al Franken On Net Neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Some people yes, will support Obama no matter what. However, what is known now is that the corporations (ISPs) want the power to limit or flat out exclude websites on the internet. This is a reaction to corporation over-reaching.

    I don't for a second believe that the government classifying the internet as a utility will save "Net Neutrality" in itself. However, with corporations looking to do what they are doing is flat out wrong as well. Net Neutrality needs to be kept and corporations simply are not wanting to do that.
    This discussion (about Cruz's assertion) is about Obama's desire to classify it as a Utility and the possible ramifications of that.

    Once we get past that and folks understand that what Obama wants to do is not a wise choice, we can discuss other related topics.
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    Re: Ted Cruz Hits Back At Al Franken On Net Neutrality

    Anyone who wants to give the Federal Government more control over the internet through Law or regulation is out of their freakin' minds, suckers, or know their ideas can't stand on their own.

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