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    Re: Ted Cruz Hits Back At Al Franken On Net Neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    That ain't going to happen. So many Congress members like Cruz are bought and paid for by the telecoms that they will never, ever, ever vote for this. It's easier to get the GOP to remove nuclear and oil subsidies than it will be for them to vote to cut off the high revenue tier structure from their donors.

    Ted Cruz's plan is to make NN sound bad as a tool to hammer Obama on during the GOP primaries. The amount of damage he can do purely by associating it with the ACA and Obama will cause plenty of Republicans to vote against it purely out of their own primary concerns.

    That law would be nice, but it's not even remotely realistic given telecom contributions and what Ted Cruz is doing in terms of association.

    You can also review post 136 if you so desire.

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...post1063993988


    And to suggest the telecoms support the republicans exclusively isn't accurate at all.

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    Re: Ted Cruz Hits Back At Al Franken On Net Neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Okay, how about you offer a reason why ISPs won't throttle?

    Please aside from magic, what is stopping monopolies from engaging in behavior to literally charge you extra for every packet of data you want delivered or received within a reasonable period of time?

    Are you COMPLETELY UNAWARE that ISPs have throttled Netflixks?


    No, they did not "throttle" netflix, that's not accurate.

    ​Comcast vs. Netflix: Is this really about Net neutrality? - CNET

    please read this and get up to speed on this. not all is as it seems.
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    Re: Ted Cruz Hits Back At Al Franken On Net Neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    Actually, your article says different and notes that this WAS NOT a "net neutrality" issue.


    added emphasis is mine.


    I was using laymans terms, you are correct, the there is a CDN delivery issue, given that netflix is 30% of all internet traffic and is trying to hook up firehoses to garden hoses, the issue comes with opening additional peers vs creating better connections to specific ISP's.

    In reality, netflix wasn't trying to get it's fair share, but more than it's share if you wanted to look at it objectively.
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    Re: Ted Cruz Hits Back At Al Franken On Net Neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    No, they did not "throttle" netflix, that's not accurate.

    ​Comcast vs. Netflix: Is this really about Net neutrality? - CNET

    please read this and get up to speed on this. not all is as it seems.
    Definitely an interesting read. Though still leaves some questions in the air as to why the speeds for Netflix on Comcast immedietely increased as soon as a financial deal was done. Using the analogies in your article, the "firehose connection" wouldn't have been created and finished as soon as a deal was done...it would've taken time for money to change hands and the work to be done. So there's a legitimate question to be had as to whether or not the slow down was simply a natural issue, or if it was a result of artificial hinderance on the part of comcast on top of any natural issue that would've been present.

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    Re: Ted Cruz Hits Back At Al Franken On Net Neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Definitely an interesting read. Though still leaves some questions in the air as to why the speeds for Netflix on Comcast immedietely increased as soon as a financial deal was done. Using the analogies in your article, the "firehose connection" wouldn't have been created and finished as soon as a deal was done...it would've taken time for money to change hands and the work to be done. So there's a legitimate question to be had as to whether or not the slow down was simply a natural issue, or if it was a result of artificial hinderance on the part of comcast on top of any natural issue that would've been present.


    That's easy, once they had a deal, they connected directly. What comcast was doing before was opening more peers. Netflix now hits comcast direct, they hooked up a firehose to comcast, before it came in through third party peers such as convergent, etc, now if something is taking up 30% of your bandwith through x number of peers, is net neutrality applicable here?


    if downstream "peering points" became congested it was common for isp's to temporarily open up additional ports to maintain traffic speed. This was done as a courtesy and not any sort of business arrangement. Netflix has no upstream traffic, so the argument that comcast made was it was being taken advantaged of.


    This in particular (in contrast to what I originally said about all this), reallt has nothing to do with net neutrality, though it's being used as an argument for it.
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    Re: Ted Cruz Hits Back At Al Franken On Net Neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    So what taxes are y'all talking about?
    It is part of the telecommunication bill past years ago.
    all telecommunication companies must pay into the General Service Fund to the FCC.
    internet companies are not under this umbrella as they are not regulated by the FCC.

    if Obama gets his way and the FCC is forced to regulate internet companies under the telecommunications act then internet companies will be forced
    to pay into the fund as well.

    This is equivalent to a tax on the internet for every person that uses it.

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    Re: Ted Cruz Hits Back At Al Franken On Net Neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Notice what i'm saying. I'm suggesting it's far fetched to suggest it's going to occur in the next 2 to 6 years, which was the time period I spoke about being willing to hold off on taking such an extreme action as classifying it as a utility and pushing for a law. To go from where we are now, which is still...relatively speaking...extremely based in neutrality principles to such an extreme end as pay per page view is not going to be something that occurs in half a decade in my mind. That's like running a marathon in an hour. I just don't see that being realistic.
    Fair enough. But I can see a pay per page view system totally plausible within a decade if we do nothing as Excon wants. The capital costs alone to offer competition to Time Warner/Comcast are so high that they, without regulation, can do whatever they want.

    It does, and I acknowledged earlier in the thread it would require an enforcement mechanism. But there's a large difference in giving the government a SPECIFIC set of rules that it can enforce, and giving the government the carte blanche options for enforcement and new regulation that comes with declaring it a utility.

    A specific law would be a form of regulation, but one created by the legislation rather than a regulatory agency. That means whatever body charged with enforcing it (I basically said it'd likely still be the FCC) is bound by the criteria's and limits of said law. Meaning it's very difficult for it to expand beyond that law without additional legislation, putting a bit of a potential stop gap on the government expanding beyond simple neutrality standards.

    By making it a utility, you're giving the regulatory agency a FAR wider field in which it can create new and additional regulation that it wants to enforce, as the laws regarding utilities are already on the books and are far more widely acted upon than a simple net neutrality bill would allow.
    I don't disagree with you that making it a utility would be bad. But I cannot agree with Excon's views that we should simply do nothing.

    Ultimately, I don't think a law to force equal packet treatment is the answer either. Japan proved that competition will eliminate the throttling problem. We don't need a law to force equal treatment when it would be market suicide to not do that when your competition won't follow you. We need to break the monopolies up like we did to Ma Bell. That is the ultimate long term solution here. The law, like the utility option is just a stop gap. Laws can be changed, but when there are several viable competitors offering internet who are in actual competition, the market works for consumers.
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    Re: Ted Cruz Hits Back At Al Franken On Net Neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    No, they did not "throttle" netflix, that's not accurate.

    ​Comcast vs. Netflix: Is this really about Net neutrality? - CNET

    please read this and get up to speed on this. not all is as it seems.
    I see your point, but it is related in that ISPS can charge different networks different rates dependent on what the data is and therefore treat the packets of data differently. Technically, it is still throttling in that they reduced the amount of data that they would allow Netflix's networks to send over their own lines due to the interconnection fee dust up. The bigger issue of interconnection fees obviously is huge. I get that Comcast's data lines aren't that big, but that's partially their fault for not investing. That article makes this more nuanced, but I don't feel that it has substantially changed the issue.
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    Re: Ted Cruz Hits Back At Al Franken On Net Neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by Meister View Post
    Health insurance could have been fixed without the government taking control as it did.
    How did the government take control the health insurance by setting up private health insurance exchanges where private health insurance was purchased from private providers?

    If the government had gone all TRICARE on it, then yes, you would be accurate. But the ACA is largely just a give away to private insurance. Claiming the government took control of something that's still largely privately run is insane.

    Net Nuetrality could be fixed without the government taking control.
    Ok. Explain how. Right now Excon just runs away from that as he has no solutions ever. Also, your notion of "control" needs to be modified.

    You believe the government taking control is the only answer...as I stated earlier.
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    Re: Ted Cruz Hits Back At Al Franken On Net Neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Ted Cruz doesn't give a flying monkey's butt about whether or not he's right.

    Cruz is entirely doing this to out flank every Republican Presidential candidate in 2015-2016 by attacking everything Obama wants and does. Cruz knows full well that anyone who is even remotely tech informed knows he's completely full of crap. But most of us won't vote for him anyways. The crazy radicals within the GOP primaries, most of whom are old, white and tech illiterate will eat Cruz's statements up. Cruz knows he has to win the primaries and playing to the extremists is how he plans on doing just that.

    I fully suspect that Cruz knows he's wrong. But he doesn't care he's wrong because being wrong is just a means to an end. In a sense Cruz is farming the idiots for their votes. Expect Cruz to be nearly 100% "Whatever Obama Wants, I Hate" for the next two years. Doesn't matter what, Cruz's plan of attack is to be the anti-Obama. Whether or not that ticket will get him into the White House remains to be seen.
    lmao. I agree with everything you said, but "white"? Seriously: lmfao, what is even the point of saying that?
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