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    Re: Ted Cruz Hits Back At Al Franken On Net Neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    What makes you think a monopoly that gives people the option of no internet or pay per page view is so far fetched?
    Notice what i'm saying. I'm suggesting it's far fetched to suggest it's going to occur in the next 2 to 6 years, which was the time period I spoke about being willing to hold off on taking such an extreme action as classifying it as a utility and pushing for a law. To go from where we are now, which is still...relatively speaking...extremely based in neutrality principles to such an extreme end as pay per page view is not going to be something that occurs in half a decade in my mind. That's like running a marathon in an hour. I just don't see that being realistic.

    Requiring all data packets to be treated the same is a form of regulation and it does require some enforcement mechanism.
    It does, and I acknowledged earlier in the thread it would require an enforcement mechanism. But there's a large difference in giving the government a SPECIFIC set of rules that it can enforce, and giving the government the carte blanche options for enforcement and new regulation that comes with declaring it a utility.

    A specific law would be a form of regulation, but one created by the legislation rather than a regulatory agency. That means whatever body charged with enforcing it (I basically said it'd likely still be the FCC) is bound by the criteria's and limits of said law. Meaning it's very difficult for it to expand beyond that law without additional legislation, putting a bit of a potential stop gap on the government expanding beyond simple neutrality standards.

    By making it a utility, you're giving the regulatory agency a FAR wider field in which it can create new and additional regulation that it wants to enforce, as the laws regarding utilities are already on the books and are far more widely acted upon than a simple net neutrality bill would allow.

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    Re: Ted Cruz Hits Back At Al Franken On Net Neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Do you know what the FCC commissioner's last job was?
    Doesn't matter.
    What matters is if he is correct.


    And like I said in reference to the publisher, no one has corrected that, or what he is quoted as saying.
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    Re: Ted Cruz Hits Back At Al Franken On Net Neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by Meister View Post
    I respect your post, but as I said in my previous post that this fix needs to be done right and taking the time to do it right, not some off the cuff quick fix solution.
    If that happens we're all screwed and a bit poorer.
    I don't disagree with you at all.

    Unfortunately, thanks to the RIDICULOUS attempt to tie this to Obamacare, the chances of that become far less likely.

    Instead of any kind of intelligent and intellectually honest debate...it's basically became an either or partisan issue that is being tried to be pushed along party lines and presented in a black and white fashion as if there isn't shades of grey. There are shades of grey, and you're right...we need to consider them. The problem is there seems to be no intent from either side to do that right now. Obama wants to make it a Utility and rather than actually do as you're doing and suggest we need more discussion or look at alternatives, you have Cruz coming out and basically just declaring "Net Neutrality" (Not just the utility part, but the notion itself) as "obamacare for the internet" and suggesting that we should just keep things the way they are.

    That's not a legitimate option and that's absolutely not "taking time to do it right", that's just saying "Do it this one way or ignore it entirely". And that's the problem with where this has reached now.

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    Re: Ted Cruz Hits Back At Al Franken On Net Neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    You are acting like a total partisan hackjob.



    There is no question that when polled on the total ACA program it's horribly reviled. But when polled on the individual parts to the point where every part is polled on, people love it. That's the absurd marketing problem of the ACA. People love its parts, but hate the whole. That makes no actual sense. Its like loving every part of your car, except that you hate the car as a whole.

    What partisan hacks ignore is that the old system promoted theft of insurance money where the ACA is actually conservative in notion because it in ideology pushes those towards covering their own costs. The ACA is flawed. There is no question about that. But is light years ahead in conservative ideology than the GOP proposals which essentially advocate for stealing insurance money.

    At this point I'm going to ignore both you and Excon because both of you have demonstrated an absolute sheer ignorance of what Net Neutrality is.
    Health insurance could have been fixed without the government taking control as it did.
    Net Nuetrality could be fixed without the government taking control.

    You believe the government taking control is the only answer...as I stated earlier.

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    Re: Ted Cruz Hits Back At Al Franken On Net Neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    I guess you haven't been paying attention, because if Obama gets his way your internet is going to be taxed like a utility.
    There is no way around that.
    As long as the money goes to extend service to everybody I don't care.
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    Re: Ted Cruz Hits Back At Al Franken On Net Neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    As long as the money goes to extend service to everybody I don't care.
    it isn't extending service to anyone. that is the entire issue.

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    Re: Ted Cruz Hits Back At Al Franken On Net Neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    Maybe this is a dumb question but if an ISP decides to screw with their customers as described then don't you think that those customers would switch ISP's so that they are no longer screwed with?
    And if both the isps in your area are doing the same thing?
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    Re: Ted Cruz Hits Back At Al Franken On Net Neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    And if both the isps in your area are doing the same thing?
    Or there is only one ISP.
    Ted Cruz is the dumbest person alive.

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    Re: Ted Cruz Hits Back At Al Franken On Net Neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    it isn't extending service to anyone. that is the entire issue.
    So what taxes are y'all talking about?
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    Re: Ted Cruz Hits Back At Al Franken On Net Neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    So what taxes are y'all talking about?

    Why don't you step back a page and figure it out?
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